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A draft law banning speech and dressing "detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people" has sparked debate in China.

If the law comes into force, people found guilty could be fined or jailed but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

Social media users and legal experts have called for more clarity to avoid excessive enforcement.

China recently released a swathe of proposed changes to its public security laws - the first reforms in decades.

The clothing law has drawn immediate reaction from the public - with many online criticising it as excessive and absurd.

The contentious clauses suggest that people who wear or force others to wear clothing and symbols that "undermine the spirit or hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation" could be detained for up to 15 days and fined up to 5,000 yuan ($680; £550).

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[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 115 points 1 year ago

I find this kind of interesting after Naomi Wu (also known as SexyCyborg) recently had a run-in with the CCP and has largely gone silent online.

For anyone not familiar with her/her situation, she's a tech/maker YouTuber. She has a pretty radical look with enormous fake boobs and skimpy outfits, but she does have some genuinely interesting content. She had been calling out some security vulnerabilities that recently got some attention so that's likely why the Chinese government, in her words, clipped her wings, but she had a bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.

"Bit of a target" indeed. She's like a walking Bingo card of everything China suppresses.

Hope she's okay.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The wild part to me is that overall I never got the impression from anything I saw from her that she was particularly anti-ccp, some of the annoyed grumbling I'd expect from literally anybody living under any government in the world, but that's about it. Overall she seemed to be a pretty proud Chinese citizen, and probably a good spokesperson for the Chinese tech sector, from watching her videos I know that I'm slightly less quick to dismiss any Chinese gadgets as chinesium garbage. I'd think she'd be more useful to keep around for PR purposes, but after her previous incidents didn't make significant waves with her western audience, it seems that they figured they're free to bully her however they want to now.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Holy fuck she sounds badass

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[-] taanegl@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 year ago

Yeah? How about closing those sweatshops that pollute Chinese rivers, drinking water, that destroys soil so that plants can never grow again, where Chinese works inhale colorant and chemicals... how about that shit, CCP?

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

That hurts the land and the people and not the CCP's feelings, so the CCP doesn't care.

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[-] Pat12@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For those wondering, "Hurting the feelings of the Chinese people" is an actual phrase (伤害中国人民的感情) it started all the way back in the late 50s.

this last part "感情 ganqing" translated as "feelings" or "emotional attachment", it's actually an important part of chinese culture, esp business culture (similar to this is "guanxi" which is someone's network). These are major parts of chinese culture and relationships with others. this phrase is more like "you're hurting our relationship"

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

This seems similar to Republicans' current crusade to ban books they believe will hurt the "fabric of the country."

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

If your nation is that weak it isn't worth saving, it should just die and be replaced by something better. Which is just about anything.

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[-] faintbeep@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

It's fun to compare the comments on this story to the ones about France banning various kinds of clothing!

[-] Iteria@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

Honestly, I feel the same about both: it's absurd. With France I get the "freedom from religion" spiel from some Frenchman, but it's veiled xenophobia to me. When you ban a kind of clothing but only for one group of people, that's basically the definition. Here, it's just fascism. At least the Chinese people are speaking out.

[-] wahming@monyet.cc 7 points 1 year ago

The French didn't ban for only one group of people, all religions are affected.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It targeted one group of people though.

Either way banning clothes is stupid.

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[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm French and if you believe that they got you good

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[-] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago

And this is how the Chinese ends up wearing a national uniform.

[-] Glide@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 year ago

Zhao Hong, a law professor at the Chinese University of Political Science and Law said the lack of clarity could lead to an infringement of personal.

Adorable that anyone is suggesting this is a bug, not a feature.

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[-] bfg9k@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

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WORLD IS A FUCK

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410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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[-] sonnenzeit@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

and this is not a coincidence. Authoritarian states love vaguely operationalized definitions like this because it's basically a blanko check to arrest anyone at any time. And it puts the populace into a fearful, fatalist mindset of "I could be arrested at any time for bogus charges, even if I did nothing wrong."

[-] Murais@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago
[-] spez@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago
[-] BNE 6 points 1 year ago

Of course you're in a thread like this.

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm unable to find the original Chinese, but couldn't "hurt national feelings" just as well be translated as "do emotional damage"? Like walking around London 1997 with a shirt that said "Princess Di deserved to die"? Now while that aint illegal in the UK (as far as I know) it's at least a little less ridiculous to talk about trauma from events that affect a nation rather than this dismissive right-wing language of "hurt national feelings".

(this is not a pro-CCP comment please give me the benefit of the doubt)

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

"hurting the feelings of the Chinese people" is a phrase commonly used by the ccp that means anything that goes against our narrative. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people?useskin=vector

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[-] Lols@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

wearing a t-shirt saying an actual valued member of the royal family deserved to die likely would get you arrested in the UK, regardless of the legality of it

[-] Womble@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

No it wouldn't, don't be ridiculous. Yes there was some heavy handed policing around the queen's funeral and the coronation which was pretty disgusting, but no-one is being arrested for just wearing an anti-royal tee shirt. Hell it was 50 years ago when the sex pistols were calling the monarchy a "Fascist regime" and they weren't arrested for that.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 16 points 1 year ago

i kinda want to build a storefront that only sells things on the ban list.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

What more do they want? They already got rid of the Winnie the Pooh costume at Shanghai Disneyland.

[-] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago

Mandate assless chaps!

[-] teft@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago

All chaps are by definition assless.

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[-] HubertManne@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Is china hoping to become more like north korea?

[-] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Gonna be a bunch of nude people, everything upsets these pooh-soft dopes

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A draft law banning speech and dressing "detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people" has sparked debate in China.

The proposed legal changes also forbid "insulting, slandering or otherwise infringing upon the names of local heroes and martyrs" as well as vandalism of their memorial statues.

Would its presence in China also count as hurting national feelings," one user posted on Chinese Twitter-like platform Weibo.

She cited one case that drew headlines in China last year where a kimono-clad woman was detained in the city of Suzhou and accused of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble" because she had worn the Japanese garment.

In March this year, police detained a woman donning a replica of a Japanese military uniform at a night market.

And earlier last month, people who wore rainbow print clothing were denied entry to a concert by Taiwanese singer Chang Hui-mei in Beijing.


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[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

This creates a funny image in my mind.

Does this implies we are about to see the comeback of the blue and brown clothing of the Mao era or can we expect the return of the imperial style to the rulling class?

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is awful and wrong and a violation of the human rights of the citizens of that country. Thankfully, we don't let the government decide what people are allowed to wear here in the good ol US of A...doesnt matter how many conservatives' feelings are hurt. Small government and all that...

[-] Sargteapot@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago

I urge y'all to look up laowhy86 on YouTube and look at his Beijing flood video. Or even the last few videos tbh.

[-] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago

hey so does that mean they're gonna stop making Japanese street fashion clothes over there? I use to buy directly from TaoBao and a few years ago lolita was still pretty popular in China.

[-] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

China said no abaya!

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