In honor of the new rule. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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Hello m@tes. I have immigrated from lemm.ee following the imminent closure, (and needed to but ana in front of my name because the one I used on lemm.ee was taken.)

Here is just a small thing I made after skimming the comments of a recent popular post. As it is a small image and I'm getting better with Krita this one only took ~35 minutes. Improvements. Yay!

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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 3 points 16 hours ago

Voting is not the same as approval. We can vote and still rally against the legitimacy of authority.

Yes the state is corrupt, yes the choice is largely superficial. But if we are going to get poison anyway i prefer to exercise any action i can to influence even a little who does the poisoning.

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 32 points 1 week ago

I did this in 2016. Still regret it.

[-] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

Listen, if you can find a local politician that listens, that wants to court the movement, that isn't allergic to accountability, that is actually literate in that field even as they want to participate, that isn't bought?

You've found a mythical creature. You may as well try to do fantastical things like convince Anarchists to vote.

Other than that? Meh, its casual. Maybe spend an hour in line talking to voters about what they really care about, and loudly complain that no party is addressing the real concerns like Ghost Jobs or Wage Theft. Invite the silly vote-enjoyers to go make sandwiches.

Or don't.

Just don't pretend voting (or not) means that much. Go actually do the Mutual Aid.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

Some good fucking takes today

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 week ago

WTF is with all these downvotes?!? Y'all need to read this: https://www.indigenousaction.org/voting-is-not-harm-reduction-an-indigenous-perspective/

[-] minoscopede@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That write up is much more than just "don't vote." It's about fully withdrawing from the system and rejecting citizenship, including all of the things that come with it, like paying taxes and owning private property.

If someone pays taxes, legitimizes the government, and also doesn't vote... Then that's likely the worst of both worlds from the author's perspective.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

libs get very salty on this anarchist perspective so they impotently downvote because we took away their right to make smug comments about it.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That article was written in 2020. I wonder if they at all regret what they wrote considering the past year.

Probably not, considering that the 2020 winner, the so-called opposition candidate, presided over a genocide, and then handed the keys to the kingdom over to the guy who's doing all the stuff that the 2020 winner was voted in to supposedly stop.

Oh, great idea, just hand the reigns over to white Christian fundamentalists who'd be more than happy to look for a final solution to the aforementioned "Indian Problem".

We should be mobilizing against the existence of the reins of power at all! And white Christian fundamentalists are not going to be stopped or even hampered by the law as this election has shown. As long as they have power, they are a threat. And the only ways to protect ourselves from these monsters is to establish free systems of community defense, mass mobilization, or any of the myriad things we can do that aren't contingent on a state granting us our freedom.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

and then handed the keys to the kingdom over to the guy who's doing all the stuff that the 2020 winner was voted in to supposedly stop.

While the dems' pro-genocide stance was absolutely disgusting, at the very least they'd still be letting aid in. Now we're looking at a potential mass starvation event under the Christofacists.

Abandoning the tiny leverage we do have to maintain moral "purity" would be contradictory at best. While the dems are certainly complicit by fielding yet another pro genocide candidate, ultimately the choice between slow genocide and speed run genocide was up to those with the ability to vote.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Biden was just as bad if not worse than Trump 2 has been (as of today) on the genocide, and Harris would have been just as bad because she made it clear that her presidency would be an extension of Biden's. Frankly, Biden is an ideological Zionist, more so than Trump is ideological about anything. Said differently: all politicians in both parties would have continued the genocide because foreign policy is uniparty. So IMO the trajectory of the genocide is completely independent of the result of the election.

Abandoning the tiny leverage we do have to maintain moral "purity" would be contradictory at best. While the dems are certainly complicit by fielding yet another pro genocide candidate, ultimately the choice between slow genocide and speed run genocide was up to those with the ability to vote.

No it literally wasn't. We have zero power in this current system and we have zero responsibility for how the people in power responded to this genocide. The levers of power are fully insulated from the will of the general public. And again: Biden handed the keys to the kingdom to the monster. And so did Obama before Trump 1. And Bill Clinton before Bush Jr. And Carter before Reagan. Not to imply that any of those Dem presidents were not themselves bloodthirsty monsters.

My position has nothing to do with morality (beyond the goal of achieving the best world in the shortest time) and everything to do with the harsh truth that the State truly offers us nothing, and that we need to live our lives in spite of them and around them.

And frankly, if you want to go to the polls... it's your time, and it doesn't matter anyways. What I am (and I think the mod team here, which I'm not a part of, are) tired of is (1) this constant discussion about electoralism taking up time and space from things that actually matter and (2) liberals (or well-meaning leftists parroting liberal talking points) trying to shame us for not participating in their system. Shock horror, an anarchist has principled objection to a core liberal talking point! Shock horror, an anarchist does not believe that helping liberal democrats has anything to do with anarchism. Shock horror, anarchists will not bow to liberal sensibilities. What is the world coming to?

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, turns out starvation takes a little while. It's been roughly 3 months since Gaza has been able to receive food aid. Holodomor took ~1 year to kill off 20% of the affected population, which Israel seems hell bent on replicating. If there's not a grave difference in death statistics by this time next year, I'd be happy to reconsider my position that both sides are very much not the same.

Y'all are rightfully getting flamed for holding a position that harm reduction doesn't reduce harm when it absolutely does, and only takes you an hour every four years.

You're right that the current state of representation is abysmal, but boycotting voting does absolutely nothing to remedy the situation, and actively harms people domestically and abroad.

Edit: Just to add about the ideological differences between Biden and Trump, Binden was an ideological pro-Israelite, but he still gave some tiny semblance of a fuck about humanitarianism. Trump does not. He doesn't have a misguided moral compass, he has none. Whoever lays out the most beneficial deal to him (petty grievances aside) in the moment is what he will take.

If you can't see why the latter is infinitely more dangerous in a world run by corporate interests, then I'm not sure what more I can say.

[-] nsrxn@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 1 week ago

harm reduction has a specific meaning, and voting is not harm reduction

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fine, replace it with "reducing harm". Y'all very well understand what I mean by the term in this context, and if you don't, I'd be happy to clarify.

If that's all that article has to say (which it doesn't) then it'd simply be clearing up some semantic confusion.

[-] nsrxn@scribe.disroot.org 5 points 1 week ago

voting Harris didn't reduce any harm, but it did prevent real alternatives from gaining traction.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

How does anti-electoralism prevent alternatives from gaining traction? Nobody in this thread has yet advocated for voting 3rd party, if that's what you're implying.

[-] nsrxn@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 1 week ago

How does anti-electoralism prevent alternatives from gaining traction?

I didn't say it does. you are arguing with a strawman

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

It's a question, signifying I have no clue what your actual position is. If you don't care to elucidate, I've got no argument for a non-position.

[-] nsrxn@scribe.disroot.org 3 points 1 week ago

I said what I meant: voting is not harm reduction, and voting for Harris didn't reduce any harm

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Disengage

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I noticed 'moderates' did not give a single shit about trans rights while a dem was in office. Only during trumps first term did i notice them even trying to act like allies. Same for immigrants.

I think palestine is the same. I dont think we would be seeing public opinion turn against the protocols of the elders of zion larpers, even as little as it has, under the harris administration.

It sounds accellerationist, but the biden administration showed they were not going to mitigate the threat or remediate damage done by their buddies in red.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

thank you for not voting. it increases the power of my vote. hope you like the rulers i will install to govern you

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You don't choose your ruler. You choose from a pre approved list what style of boot the oligarchy puts on your neck. And even then you're only the tie breaker.

Personally; i care about style, but if you don't, it really doesn't matter.

Edit: sorry, forgot about foot guys. I know that's a common kink. I guess it matters to them, too. Are you a foot guy? That's okay, but maybe don't insist i should share your kink.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

you can join a party that votes for their candidates and pre approve this one as well, if you don't like the ones they put. you can even run yourself.

[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So you're a foot guy, then?

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Just here to watch the libs label Anarchists as Tankies 🍿

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