how naive of him to think companies didn't already scrape his facial data from anywhere he might have had a picture 10 years ago
Yup. Last year some Harvard students put together a demo where they used Meta's smart glasses and commercial apps to scan people's faces, find their social media profiles, and summarize info about them, like where they live, work, their phone numbers, and names of their relatives in real time.
So basically Watch_Dogs profilers IRL
I remember years ago someone in my class decided to make Russian look alike pictures of everyone in the class and post them as a gag on the doors. I forget what it was called, but several of my classmates were angry that the person had taken their pictures without consent and given them to some weird Russian picture algorithm.
At this point in time, I have no doubt that all kinds of pictures and information regarding me is in the hands of people and companies I don't care for. A lot of it is my own doing and some is out of my hands.
It is hard to avoid when you don't have any control over your own information because people share your pictures and your info without consulting you. All the time and without malice. It is what it is.
Pff it's easy
Cut contact with all friends and family, get plastic surgery, live as a hermit in the mountains
My dream. Get a death certificate and become invisible. Live in mountains. Raise chicken. And live a peaceful life
Aka living the dream
There's stuff I could do, like remove tags from myself on fb (is that possible?) or delete my account, but it's enough work and enough of a loss (what if I need to find an old contact) that I just ignore the problem.
It sure is possible, because I untagged myself from all pictures people had tagged me on before deleting all comments I ever wrote, all pictures I ever posted myself and then deleted my Facebook after that.
For years, the only thing that kept me on Facebook was that I had a few people I only had contact with through messenger due to us being from differnet countries.
When I learned about Signal, I immediately got those people onto that app so we could stay in contact and then I went on a mass destruction rampage of my profile. Literally went from "but I have to keep it because of my connections" to "let me simulate digital dementia, bitch".
I understand that most people can't do what I did. For me it was several years of gradual detachment from the platform that made it super easy to pull the plug in the end. It's a bit harder for those who actively use fb every day for social connections and jobs and so on. So I get it.
But yeah, you can't really control whether or not people keep posting about you after you leave. I have already had that happen after visiting an old friend and honestly, I cannot bring myself to care about it.
I've given up and assume that my friends and family have already handed over my contact info, pictures, messages, DNA, etc
Honestly giving up is reasonable. We need EVERYONE to respect privacy for this whole thing to work.
You could be the most privacy focused individual and your mom's facebook page would still have your graduation picture with name of the highschool you went and your home address in the back somewhere.
That's also ignoring how all of your actual personal information (full name, address, social security, phone number, email, etc) have already been leaked 16 times this year alone
so what you are saying is that its already over and we lost.
Overwhelming so.
Yes I have.
With a model I fine tuned myself and ran locally on my own hardware.
Suck it
Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?
Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?
Just curious, do you know how many trees were MOLESTED to create that air you're breathing?
I know at least seven were. It would've been more but I got a splinter and that really turned me off.
Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?
Satirically pointing out that worrying about electricity usage for model creation is ridiculous.
It's already spent. The model exists. It's probably MORE moral to use it as much as possible to get some positive value out of it. Otherwise it was just wasted.
Yes indeed, yet my point is that we keep on training models TODAY so if keep on not caring, then we do postpone the same problem, cf https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17400518
Basically yes, use trained model today if you want but if we don't set a trend then despite the undeniable ecological impact, there will be no corrective measure.
It's not enough to just say "Oh well, it used a ton of energy. We MUST use it now."
Anyway, my overall point was that training takes a ton of energy. I'm not asking your or OP or anyone else NOT to use such models. I'm solely pointing out that doing so without understand the process that lead to such models, including but not limited to energy for training, is naive at best.
Edit: it's also important to point out alternatives that are not models, namely there are already plenty of specialized tools that are MORE efficient AND accurate today. So even if the model took a ton of energy to train, in such case it's still not rational to use it. It's a sunk cost.
FWIW the person I asked did reply, they don't care : https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397024
Hope it helps.
Just curious, do you know how much energy went into powering every computer and office room for 3 years while the latest videogame/hollyowood movie/etc was being made used up?
Should we ban every single non-essential thing in the world or only the ones you don't enjoy?
And please hop-off Lemmy, do you know how much power the devs used to program this site!
Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly. I dont pay for hydro, and whatever energy expenditures were involved in training the model I fine tuned is more than offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly [...] offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.
That's some strange logic. Either you do know and you can estimate that the offset will indeed "balance it out" or you don't then you can't say one way or the other.
Feel free to explain the down votes.
If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.
yea this attitude right here is why ai bros are so beloved
It's already done, if you have any photographs of yourself on the internet. No need to fight that battle, accept and push forward.
I suppose I'll accept it and just start pushing forward with setting fires. 🔥
And what if there's no photograph of myself online?
Pics or it didn't happen.
Be happy
lol
Did they not give Twitter their facial data when they uploaded their avatar?
They do, but even if they didn't AI companies are going take them anyway. Bots make up 50% of internet traffic. AI companies have ignored robot.txt entries. Anything publicly available, even if it's behind a password, is accessible since companies like Reddit sell that information.
Bots make up 50% of internet traffic.
I've read a study that claimed ads were 50% of traffic by data volume.
Is anyone actually still using the internet, or is it all ad networks sending crap to bots?
wow that's evil
It's cleverly addressing a valid point. If your face is visible on the internet it can be used in an ai database without your consent. That's just where we're at.
yeah fair enough but every use of the studio Ghibli image generator is one too many
Gosh so many real problems being solved with computers! I always knew they would be useful one day.
I just saw an ad for a “training course” to “qualify” people to interact with AI as a profession.
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