Stop feeding the troll. He thrives on the attention, negative or positive. If it's positive, he was right all along. If it's negative, he's a martyr.
Stop treating him like he has any legitimate thing to say, and let him fade into irrelevance.
Bingo.
If you’re going to a debate and you refuse to explain your position, you are not debating in good faith.
Further, he’d always shift his definition whenever his current one got into hot water while simultaneously sealioning his counter part.
The dude’s argument is basically pseudo-scientific technobabble for the sole purpose of sounding impressive while also advocating for white supremacy.
I don't disagree with you. I think you're correct and watching this was difficult as I hate Peterson.
To play Devil's Advocate, I don't think ignoring these guys have had the effect we've wanted nor having them fade into obscurity. Most of us that hate them haven't tuned in and they have just a huge sway now in public discourse.
Although stepping back from what I just said. You have a good point in that it's currently less relevant because Peterson and the Daily Wire have sunk numbers now and I think that's just great.
I like the spirit of jubilee in bringing people together that disagree and chatting it out? Even though I don't think the format in changing minds that much.
Platforming this shitstain only serves his purpose.
For people not wanting to give JP/Jubillee clicks.... Mindshift has a reaction video where you can see the giant shit show bit by bit.
Is that something like Piper Perri Vs 5 Black Guys?
If you want to watch JP actually get fucked, watch this.
Kill shot happens about a minute after the timestamp.
When I first listened to that painful episode all those years ago, my podcast player's silence removal feature completely removed that amazingly long silence, and hearing it now, what a difference it makes in understanding the conversation dynamic.
After that conversation, which was the first time I'd ever heard JP, I never understood how anybody respected him.
It's so fucking mesmerizing how JP tries to show everyone his verbal gymnast skills, only to realize SH is playing verbal jujitsu and wrapping him into a pretzel.
I once watched that "Some More News" segment on Peterson, so I've seen enough of the guy.
A ten hour long video is indeed more than enough. It was nice of them to embrace brevity though.
"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Mark Twain
I feel as though Jordan Peterson got outplayed a lot here and his dodging of questions and stuff exposed his charlatanism (word?). So I don't think he beat them.
I do love the quote. Although I also love the wrestling with the pig one, where you both get muddy but the pig enjoys it :)
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Jubilee definitely tried to stack the deck so that JP could "win" this debate. (which is usually why I avoid these kinds of debates. They're almost never in good faith.)
But they're going to take the good sound bites and make it look like atheists are bad and he's going to keep pushing his white supremacist bullshit.
Couldn’t be less interested
Yeah, I'm not going to watch that. If it was reversed and it was, say, Christopher Hitchens vs 20 christians, I'd be irritated, saying, "If he was wrong, one person would be enough. Why not just have one person who is knowledgeable and a good debater, rather than 20 who aren't?"
In an intellectual debate, a larger number of people debating only matters if they are good debaters and are working closely together.
This format might be good if you know the 20 people are wrong, for example, "One scientist vs 20 anti-vaxxers", because it would become one expert exposing 20 lunatics. But for a religious debate, where you cannot prove either side, this is a terrible format.
Dr Mike did an episode with anti vaxxers actually. That is about how it went, but he's too kind to go for the dunks.
There was 1 atheist vs 20 Christians, I can't remember the lads name but I thought he did great. What's funny is how many Christians disagree on their interpretations with one another.
They have done formats such as: leftist, liberal, conservative and MAGA supporter as well.
I don't think these types of debates (especially this format) change minds? However, I'm slowly dipping in and out to listen to those who disagree with him. Sadly people like Peterson are charlatans so there's no point as he's paid not to agree and there's nothing to learn.
1 atheist vs 20 Christians
Alex O'Connor is who you're thinking of
I'm only interested in this if those 20 people run a tasteful train on him. Might fix his brain since it's located up his ass.
They do run a metaphorical train on him, there's a reason the video title changed from 1 Christian vs 20 Atheists
Does he not consider himself a Christian? This is a genuine question. I try to ignore JP generally.
I've listened to JPs early stuff and thought he had some good points back then. Then he went down a strange path and I didn't follow his stuff.
I've heard him talk about Christian values and defends them a lot and how they're superior and stuff especially with the 1 man 1 woman stuff. The problem is that he's not being up front about it. He argues about the word: "belief" here rather than answer if he believes in God. Like, that's just the worst.
JP is a snake and if you can't stand him, don't watch this because it'll do you no good. Even when he gets dunked on it's likely not satisfying enough to overcome his repellent nature.
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