I don't think I could vote for Labour again in good conscience. I voted for them as the lesser of two evils but it has been nothing but betrayal. My fear is that doing this will allow the tories or ~~fascists~~ reform into power which will be utterly horrendous against the mildly lighter level of shitness we have now.

I joined the lib dems before when they were the big party against brexit and this time i will be joining the greens. I dont have any hope that things will change before the next election where I'll be forced to think about the implications of my vote but I'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

As others have mentioned, I don't think Labour will do well in the next election based on what they've been doing so far. So voting for "third" parties is inevitable. It's just a question of whether we can get a majority of progressives, or we just end up spread out and Reform sweeps the win.

I think maybe the ideal solution would be if the progressive parties formed some sort of coalition ahead of time, centred around electoral reform. Discuss who contests which seats, etc, and how they'd vote as a coalition.

Well the most ideal would be if they did that with the express purpose of getting electoral reform done and then calling a general election right after. That way even conservatives and right wingers might vote for them.

It really is past the time when Britain finally went through some actual changes.

I kind of agree. I don't think we're getting PR any time soon. But Labours attempt to emulate the US two party model needs to be demonstrated to be a resounding failure.

My thoughts is that this is how Reform get in. Until we rid ourselves of FPTP, splitting the left vote so much means a Reform government. Until such time, we have to vote tactically. Vote to keep out the worst. Perfect is the enemy of the good.

If Labour put country before party, they would be killing of FPTP like the membership want.

So he thinks people should tactically support progressive parties who support electoral reform (Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru), which may hopefully then lead to electoral reform, so that we end up with proportional representation.

I've been doing this most of my voting-age life. Electoral reform for me personally is the most important issue.

Right now, we should:

1. Vote for other parties than Labour in opinion polls, that is, for genuinely progressive parties
2. Vote for other parties than Labour in local elections

We should drive momentum away from Labour far ahead of the next general election such that the general public view an alternative coalition as more likely to win a general election than Labour and so encourage a broad switch.

Sounds like a good way to end up with King Nigel, unfortunately.

When you guys figure it out, please tell the US. They don't seem to get it.