I think horror or gore should go to NSFL rather than moving porn off NSFW. NSFW had traditionally meant porn where NSFL has meant gore, there just hasn't been a separate NSFL tag because that type of content has been discouraged and giving it it's own tag could be seen as legitimizing it.
Horror doesn't mean gore and people use the nsfw tag for things other than porn, gore or horror too.
Horror should still be nsfl
I totally agree with @Lojcs@lemm.ee (damn you scrolling comment setting)👆
@Lojcs@lemm.ee
The tags are currently worked on, if you want to say something to make a change, write there.
https://github.com/Neshura87/Lemmy-RFC
Github issue that started the tags conversation. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/317
I don't think tags would be a solution as they wouldn't be standard threadiverse-wide. Also porn communities would want to mark their posts with specifying tags like every other community does instead of a generic porn tag.
What's needed is expansion of the nsfw mark into subcategories
there is proposal for three types of tags: NSFW, spoiler and generic. NSFW and spoiler will blur the images, and generic tags are for content categorization. NSFW and spoiler tags should have the same behavior on lemmy. kbin dev will want to make parity change for his feature.
I still don't think it'd be enough to leave nsfw tag creation to communities. Even if a porn community created multiple tags under nsfw to classify their posts that would do nothing to help people block all porn on the platform. Porn, gore etc need to be their own tag types under the general nsfw type.
We need parent and child tags. If we can create a parent 'porn' tag and a child 'hentai' tag nested, then people can block as wide or as narrow as they want.
I would recommend you read the request for comment made by Neshura87, there he explained that it won't work like that. nsfw and spoiler tags are embedded into lemmy software.
I read the thing, but that's still no reason not to seperate nsfw category further. It makes no mention of a technical limitation that prevents creation of more categories, it's just a person suggesting how a tag system could look like.
there he explained that it won't work like that
The entire reason I'm commenting is because I don't want it to work like that. I have no idea how to reply to a git commit, if I did I'd object there too.
CW and NSFW are too broad to be the only 2 types of tags.
The suggestion to use tag urls as ids don't work with the idea of using ids to share tags across instances. I don't want the entire threadiverse to decide https://lemmy.world/t/nsfw is the global nsfw tag and smaller instances being forced to use that or risk people facing unsolicited nsfw from their instance.
There is no mention of filtering posts based on their tag category, which would make it impossible to block nsfw posts across instances without using the shared id. There needs to be platform level tag categories (especially for things people might not want to see) so content filtering works in a consistent and decentralised manner. Then individual instances or communities can create their their own tags based on those categories to fit their needs.
The author seems to want to replace the spoiler mark with a (cw) tag called spoiler, but things can be both spoilers and fall under other tags (ie an image post, a leak, a discussion etc). Also this would pointlessly filter out regular spoiler content if a user blocks tags with the cw category.
The way I'd want things is tags and spoilers / content warnings being completely seperate from each other at the platform level:
Content warnings to let people filter out content they don't want to see. They wouldn't a content discovery tool. And they would be nestable. There would be platform wide default ones like
. Users would be able to choose whether to show, blur or block content with these warnings in the settings. Instances and communities would be able to make their own content warning as well, managed by the user in the settings of a community. A user creating a post would see a menu to pick the content warnings (multiple if they want) that describe their post. Tags describe content to people who want to find such content. There could be generic platform wide ones like news, qna etc, but the majority would be community specific. Tags could also include default content warnings (eg 'leak' tag could activate the spoiler content warning).
I think this would be the most elegant way to do it, but even what we have now feels better than what is proposed in that link
@neshura@bookwormstory.social tagging the author.
as I understand:
we have 3 types of tags CW, NSFW and general type
CW makes images blurred and text collapsed
NSFW is the same as CW but you can opt in in setting to see all types of porn
general tags are additional to tags above to specify content type: hentai, news, memes, etc.
you can tag things with multiple general tags + CW or NSFW
we won't have only lemmy.world/t/nsfw but also lemm.ee/t/nsfw and szmer.info/t/nsfw and this NSFW tags should be federated. All posts should appear the same if someone is following the same communities. Moderators can handle untagged content and tag accordingly.
This is worth adding
CW tag is based on activityPub protocol but author wants to split it on lemmy into CW and NSFW. On mastodon there is only CW for everything and #hashtags for specifying.
Proposition is for different architecture
Ability to choose which tags to show, which to hide is good addition. Automatic addition of CW for certain tags is also fine proposition.
something worth exploring is same general tags that are federated across instances
I think copying Mastodon would be the best for this. You can mark the post as sensitive (nsfw), which blurs the images. You can also add a content warning that can be used for anything (nsfw, nsfl, spoilers, etc).
And then use tags separately for categorizing posts.
Thank you I'll check the links 👍
Just do what I do and fill your blocklist with over 500 (and growimg) porn communities...
/s
Can you give me the list so I know what communities to avoid?
There's no means of exporting that list, and no way for you to import it except manually.
I'm no going to that effort. (especially as I'm on mobile)
Scroll all and block any porn that pops up. That's what I've done over the last few months.
I think they were making a joke about asking for the names of the communities so that they can go and browse them.
Done👍
Some of the apps allow blocking of instances, I use Sync For Lemmy and I blocked pornlemmy and lemmynsfw and I don't see porn anymore for the most part, there are still some stray nsfw communities on other instances but I rarely see any of their content
I feel this.
It would be easier to allow you to fully block the 2 instances it comes from.
For real, if I could block lemmynsfw that would remove 90% of the porn from my feed.
I swear I blocked every community on there but more keep showing up…
What about the content on lemmy.world? A few communities were set up on this instance as well.
By comparison, There's far fewer porn communities outside those main instances.
If we could block an entire instance, my block list would drop from over 500 communities to those two instances + like 10 other individual communities.
Plus maybe I could go more than 20min without adding to it...
What's the second one
You know, so I can block it too
Yeah, I originally left it unchecked because I'm fine with non-porn NSFW stuff, but the porn was so overwhelming I just had to block it all.
People keep saying this and I keep not seeing very many salacious pics. I wonder why.
can we just block instances at the user account level?
This is really the best solution
Many of the Android apps let you filter instances, as well as individual communities or users. Most instances don't host porn because of the legal headache, so blocking the only two that specialize in it should (mostly) do the trick: lemmynsfw and pornlemmy. On Sync for Lemmy, tap the overflow button on an offending post > filter > filter instance
I get that, but I don't feel good about that solution. You're sort of beholden to that specific client.
Given new lemmy is as a platform, I don't want to feel locked in yet (though I understand instance block lists might be cross compatible between all client apps supporting the feature).
Another counter argument is that an instance block list should be relatively short. Keeping this list in a separate location and manually re-applying will probably not take up a lot of time.
Nsfl = inury / death
Nsfw = curse words, a boob, etc
Porn tag for porn and art with nude chicks
“NSFW” is such a terrible overloaded term.
Or a NUDE tag to cover all of the uncovered.
I don't think ActivityPub supports that. There's just the "sensitive" flag (which Mastodon shows as a content warning and lemmy shows as NSFW). I think you'd have to do something outside of the specification.
I don't think ActivityPub supports that.
Which only means that you have to add it to activitypub first.
Wait, the Fediverse has porn? Uh, asking for a friend.
Apparently. According to what someone says anyway 😇
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