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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

As you might have noticed, there was a bit of drama lately around the moderation of !europe@feddit.org and feddit.org in general, with a result being the creation of !Europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com.

So, I just checked the modlogs for unrelated reasons and stumbled upon this:

I have never engaged with this new community nor have I participated in any discussion around the aforementioned issues before the ban. I made one comment yesterday that refers to the discussion and one comment three days ago arguing about the way the feddit admins argued their point and stating the holocaust was on a much larger scale than the genocide against Palestine.

I don't know if I want this situation to be remedied though as this to me looks like guilty by association (I engage a lot with communities on feddit.org since I'm german and it's the largest german instance with a lot of relevant communities, so, duh) but I want to know if I oversaw something or if this is the style of moderation in the new community or the whole instance.

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Hi. Thank you for posting this. I apologize that I didn't put the link to the comment in question in the reason or make it more clear. I have searched for and have re-applied the ban with a new reason including the link to your comment which prompted the ban. To specify, the claim that it is antisemitic to believe Israel shouldn't exist as a nation state is considered Zionist apologia. Rule 2 Prohibits Zionism in any form, and extends on and off community. This isn't the place to debate that or its merit.

Bans for bigotry and Zionism may be issued preemptively due to their severity and the fact that they undermine the values of the community. They will not be tolerated and if people really want to express Zionism or bigotry there are other places they can go.

Now I am open to appeals if people believe I made a mistake or if they believe they made a mistake, and of course you are free to appeal in the future when/if there is a new top mod in the community. But for now I think we're done here. I hope I was able to clear things up and I hope you have a nice day.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago

So, explaining German law is zionism now?lmao.

and of course you are free to appeal in the future

Yeah, no, thanks, I'm fine. I don't want to be in a community with people who want to answer a genocide with genocide.

answer a genocide with genocide.

What does this mean? This seems like a bad faith accusation which is in extremely poor taste right now. Are you trying to say that I encourage or death or harm to Israelis? Is that what you're saying? It sounds a lot like that's what you're implying. It's lovely when the mask comes right off and reveals people's true intentions.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You seem to equate any opinion on this topic that does not call for the dissolution of the state of Israel with zionism. And obviously, you regard zionism as something very negative (I'm not saying it isn't, I'm just trying to be comprehensive and therefore state something trivial, too). Ergo, you seem to regard the existence of the state of Israel as something negative. The logical solution to that is that you see the dissolution of the state of Israel as something desirable.
Now, keep in mind that the following does not have a say about anything regarding the situation in Gaza. As I stated elsewhere, there's a genocide happening against Palestinians, there's no denying that and anyone supporting that is just an asshole at least.
However, what do you think would happen to the Israeli that currently live in Israel? I'm not talking about West Bank "settlers" or other genocide tools, I'm talking about the majority of Israeli, the civilians, the jewish families who lived in Israel for generations now. They'd most likely be killed, displayed and all of that. And that's genocide, too.
Was creating the state of Israel a mistake when it happened? Probably. Would a single state where everyone lives together peacefully preferable? Definitely (and globally so, too). But is it possible to dissolve the state of Israel without a genocide against the jews there? Highly unlikely.
Hence you're arguing to answer genocide with genocide.

Also, I'm not going to get deeper into the argument. I never really wanted to get into this topic and I still just not want to get deeper into this cesspool. You made me though and therefore I'm blocking you now and I hope you're gonna be able to reflect on some stuff. Farewell.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

This is the same genocide apologia literally every single genocidal state has made.

Hell, every Apartheid state (not even genocidal) makes this same argument to justify apartheid.

You're not even evil in any original sense.

You're 'Evil, the classic flavor'

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thank you for proving to everyone what kind of person you are, yeah you lost most of the respect you had with the implication you made in your first response and you lost the rest when you confirmed yourself as exactly the Zionist apologist we thought you were. Good riddance.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

However, what do you think would happen to the Israeli that currently live in Israel?

The same what happened to Germans living in Germany after WW2 or to white south Africans after the fall of apartheid - nothing. Apart from war criminals of course, these should be arrested, have just but swift trials and go to prisons for the rest of their lives.

The problem is he's framing it under the typical evil Zionist strawman that Israel not being a state implies violence when it doesn't and the majority of people saying it aren't implying that either. This is a blatant bad faith argument that has no substance or merit because he's trying to create a fake gotcha so he can claim his Zionist beliefs are correct.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It is an argument which can be easily exposed though.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

. I don't want to be in a community with people who want to answer a genocide with genocide.

🤦

Lol he just showed his true colors and that he deserved it all along.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lol he just showed his true colors

Yes.

he deserved it all along.

I am not convinced. I prefer debate to bans unless someone explicitly call for genocide or dehumanise people.

I get that but also people who post in europe are getting tired of debating with every idiot who accuses them of being an antisemite, or hypocrite for following Greta Thunberg, or be asked stupid gotcha strawmans like claiming being against Israel is a call for genocide. These types of spaces are great for that kind of debate. But right now the sheer volume of Zionist trolls makes it risky to open Europe up for debate with them which is why they are blanket banned currently.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As I said before, it is up to you but my preference would be to talk to them.

Cretinous behaviour of halfwit Europe@feddit.org mods killed the debate over there, it would be nice to have a place to discuss and even fight them (with words) openly.

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[-] superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 month ago

YDI, don't support genocide.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago

Lol, I don't though.

[-] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Not YDI but not PTB. Both sides are in the right. Saying the holocaust was worse than what Israel is doing in Gaza is a true statement but at the same time sounds like you are trying to make what is happening in Gaza seem like not a big deal (which it is) and sounds like zionist apologia if you don't make it obvious you dislike what Israel are doing.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

First check the dates. As mentioned, the ban happened a week ago, the comment you're referring to was posted afterwards.

Second, isn't it enough to state that Israel is conducting a genocide against Palestine to make clear I'm against that? I mean, who actually likes genocides (except for some rare weird and dangerous lunatics)?

[-] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

Second, isn't it enough to state that Israel is conducting a genocide against Palestine to make clear I'm against that?

No, not when paired with zionist apologia. It would be like saying 'The nazis are committing genocide, but they still have a right to exist". The net outcome of the two statements is barely more than a finger wag.

Isreal must be stopped at all costs, including the dissolution of Israel as a Jewish state if necessary.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That isn't what I originally banned them for. I updated the entry in the modlog to include a link to the original comment which got them banned but that comment doesn't help their cause should they want to get an appeal later.

[-] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

No, not when paired with zionist apologia. It would be like saying 'The nazis are committing genocide, but they still have a right to exist"

I didn't though.

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[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 11 points 1 month ago
[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Wow all the throwaway too lol YDI

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah agreed. This has to be one of the worst threads I've seen on here.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They'll ban everything and everyone there. Their manifesto is a self-declared war on "zionism", but they don't really know what that is. It's exactly the same like with the old LinuxSucks community where they'd ban everyone for commenting anything that could be construed as positive towards Linux. And it's the homebase for their down-voting brigade.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago
[-] ZonenRanslite@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago

PTB for sure.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

YDI, I’m demoting your tag from vegan to zionist.

[-] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

Ptb

Makes a community to escape censorship, begins to censor themselves

Can't make this shit up, I swear

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