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Unfun fact: due to growing up with tablets instead of normal computers a lot of kids nowadays don't know how stuff like directories work.
More worryingly, shoving them in front of a tablet every time they’re being difficult means they don’t learn how to regulate their emotions.
Difference between my daughter and her cousins is night and day. Few studies confirming this correlation with violent outbursts later in life too now.
Tried giving it her on a plane once and she had no idea what to do with it and sat and played with her toys instead, so not that intuitive. She has a mechanical keyboard hooked up to a Pi instead.
Also your link is broken
Also your link is broken
Guess this guy grew up with a tablet, smh... ~/j~
they don’t learn how to regulate their emotions.
I don't believe there's causation. Kids learn to regulate their emotions from their parents, with or without tablets.
There are plenty of people with no regulation and no tablets. And plenty of well regulated kids with tablets.
Point is, it's a parent problem, not a technology one. Though it's very possible that shitty parents would use tablets as a pacifier. But they could also use TV, or sticking the kids outside all day, or anything else.
Well yes that is what I was referencing. That is how many people use them; out at restaurants, public places, at friends, etc. Often they are watching TV on them anyway.
But outwith that they have a whole host of problems even when used correctly and little upside. Autoplay, bright colors, fast-paced and visually rich interfaces. Locked in 20cm from the screen. Instead of learning to entertain yourself quietly. Engaging with your other senses.
Exception is well developed education apps for cognitive impairments, developmental delays, etc where the crazy engagement the design envokes can be useful.
Also your link is broken
It added my instance to the link for some reason, I think I fixed it now.
Working at a university I have seen some astounding shit; people just barely 10 years younger than me who can’t read analog clocks or make change let alone use a mouse or move a file to a flash drive.
Some of that's cultural momentum right? Like I don't know how many pickles it takes to make a Peck of Pickles despite hours singing about it as a kid. There's not a lot of reason sans-nostalgia to read an analog clock or drive a manual car. (I love my manual, but they're not getting any less niche with EVs on the way.)
And everyone's going to learn something the first time, some time. But it is just nuts that for some people that is apparently after getting a job with a Bachelor's, somehow. So much time, money, and energy was spent in the 90s/00s having computer classes in schools and now so much of it has been cut because the people in charge are so out of touch that watching youtube on a device designed to be easily usable is indistinguishable from "technical skills".
No, I don’t think not being able to make change or not stopping touching a screen no matter how many times you are told that it isn’t a touch screen is cultural momentum. I genuinely think that we the older generations have failed Gen Z at a common sense and problem solving level and I very much hope that we don’t keep failing Gen Alpha. I was in school still when no child left behind went into effect and the difference was stark. It was said then that it was designed to create a generation of Republican voters and based on the most recent election it looks like it might have worked.
Give the next one a Zip drive and document please.
most kids today are technologically illiterate. We didn't call anyone who watched a ton of tv a tech-wiz, because tv was just a device made for consumption of content. Even though the tv uses electricity to work
It's not just kids. Some of the phone/tablet kids are in their 20s now. They have no idea what a file or folder/directory is. When greeted with dialog boxes on PC they just click OK or next until they go away without reading at all. They're just as bad as most people in their 80s trying to use a computer. Oh and they can't type to save their life.
That's horrifying.
The stated article is from 2017. That’s not about kids growing up with tablets.
I have had a worrying amount of 40+ year old colleagues who dont know how directories work either. Just dump everything on the desktop. So I really doubt that has anything to do with tablets.
your fault, and THANKS for doing this to the people that i'll need to have take care of me when i'm old and feeble. water? like, in the toilet?
I know, right? It doesn't even have electrolytes. That's not what plants crave.
We’ve made tech way too accessible - and now we’re paying the price for it.
Back in 1995, we got our first family PC. Dad was never able to use it; despite our efforts to teach him. Couldn’t grasp left and right mouse button, much less concepts like directories, installing software, drivers, etc.
But on his iPad? He can do almost everything: e-mail, Facebook, watch TV, YouTube. And get subjected to boomer brainrot. Just like a toddler.
Is he more tech literate? Absolutely not. In fact, he’s regressing if anything. But we’ve made it so easy, even my completely tech illiterate dad can now argue with strangers on Facebook or post dumb shit on YouTube.
And it fucking shows. The amount of goddamn complete idiots online is shocking. I miss 1995, when you had to be a nerd to get online. It filtered out a lot of folks who simply shouldn’t be online.
Man it sounds so lame to say "I prefer the good old days" but its genuinely true when it comes to the internet, back when forums were the only social media, where banner ads were the only ads to worry about, before every website started collecting cookies and profiles, before celebrities started jumping on AMA's on reddit, I mean even when reddit was small enough there was a stupid phrase so you'd know if someone else was a redditor. When does the narwhal bacon?
The narwhal shall forever bacon at midnight, even if its home has turned to shit :(
It all comes back to community. Back in those days, forums and platforms like IRC were great. They had a human scale; you quickly learned about the regulars, their personalities, likes and dislikes. Heck, on most forums that I visited, plenty of people used their actual name - including myself. The internet felt like a nice, safe community, like its own digital suburb.
Sometimes that was even literal. I used platforms like Cybertown and later on Second Life. Those let you own actual houses and and build stuff on there. In Cybertown - we usually just called it CT - I knew every resident on my block. I hosted house parties, had giveaways. We’d even have commemorative digital statues as gifts for guests. I still kept in touch when CT died. I still miss it.
I need you to understand that UX/design has been made super easy in order to attain more users. This in turn makes it easier for children, who are then also targeted by the likes of YouTube kids.
Devices and operating systems nowadays are dumbed down to a fault to control you as well, since you're not supposed to be tech literate enough to move to a competitor.
The barrier to entry is low, and adversely, the barrier to exit is also made really, really high.
Modern UX is all slip-on shoes. Not even Velcro.
It's real. My 3 yr old can't speak his mother tongue properly but can use phone like an adult
That's a parenting red flag. That happens because the parents keep putting a phone in the kid's hand and expect the phone to occupy all their time. Spend time reading and speaking to the kid in his mother tongue rather than giving them a phone and they'll become proficient pretty quickly.
Well that's because the phone is far more engaging and enjoyable than day to day life. By providing a 3 year old with a device it's effectively cementing the dependency on having some electronic devices available at all times
Magicians say toddlers are also good at deciphering their tricks since they haven’t yet learned object permanency.
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Toddlers have object permanence. Object permanence develops at around 4-6 months old. Kids are still infants at that point. Toddlers are generally 1-3 years old.
I don't believe in object permanence. I think it's a hoax just like the moon landing and the time cube. If I can't see something it stops existing. Just like how rocks are actually soft, they just tense up when something touches them.
This says less about toddlers than it does about what Apple knows the public requires to use a computer.
This is a parenting issue, not a kid thing. It's because parents put a tablet in their kid's hands, teach the kid to use it, then expect the tablet to occupy all the kid's time while they don't engage with the kid.
I have a 5 yo and a 3 yo. We have a family iPad, but the kids barely know how to use it. They virtually never watch videos on it (only exception was the one time they've been on an airplane). My 5 yo is very artistically inclined, so we downloaded a sketchpad app she can draw with. She also builds legos, so we downloaded the lego app she can use for instructions. Those are the only apps she knows how to use, and she doesn't even know how to navigate to find them. We have to open the app for her and get her setup before she can run with it. My 3 yo doesn't even know how to do that much.
We mostly use the iPad to video chat family or play music, both of which are controlled by grown ups.
Yet my kids are extremely proficient at a lot of other stuff relative to kids their own age. The 5 yo can fully read and write and can do simple arithmetic. The 3 yo can read small words, can write all her letters, and can count at least to 100. They both do small chores around the house, both help cook (especially the 3 yo has gotten very good at slicing veggies).
Toddlers being hypercompetent with a tablet is 100% a parenting red flag. It shows the parents aren't very engaged and just let the tablet do all the parenting for them.
:todlers bypassing all security measures just to watch mr beast (idk what kids watch on youtube)
Aphmau, BTS, Jordan Matters, and a fuck load of shorts.
Tieing shoes is done in 3d. One more dimension of complexity. Tablets on the other hand have a flat screen, so the toddler only needs to work two dimensions to use it.
Velcro is just so much better, why the fuck do we use laces?
Aesthetics and tradition I'd say. Maybe there'll be a generation that couldn't care less about tying and there's a big flip.
And then their kids have a hipster revival of laces and yearn for a nostalgic time they never lived in while saying they were born in the wrong generation lmao
Hopefully it comes soon enough
I’m so lazy and I never untie my shoes so when I put them on again they are damaged a bit, and then end up not lasting for long. Apart from that, it works surprisingly well. Do people do that do?
My feet sweat a lot so I wear very thin shoes with airation holes and they're usually pretty stretchy. I slide my shoes off and on easily and only tie them once when I first have to buy a new pair. Usually the heel blows out before anything else, but it's probably my fault because I throw them in the washer/dryer trying to fight the stink from sweaty feet.
If anyone else has this problem I just recently found that hand sanitizer spray works way better than washing and drying because the alcohol kills the smelly bacteria.
My brother in Lemmy, may I tell you the Good News of the Nike Free Run Flyknit 2018? The shoe that has such a cult following, it’s still in production 7 years and two sequels later?
Those do look really comfortable! I wear something very similar for work, but they have more a dress shoe look. Almost exactly like these but thinner I think: https://a.co/d/cLPsGH6
Doesn’t the alcohol attack the fabric and makes it go white or something?
I've only done it about 5 times so far and I don't see any discoloration yet. I actually got this spray from a CBD company years ago. It's only alcohol, lemon, and water as far as I can tell.
If the insides of my shoes start to turn white I'll come back to your comment to let you know.
Great then :) if not sure if it could do that. It know it tends to happen with plastics but I always fear it could happen to other things
Hey, I know this 4 weeks later, but I thought I'd let you know that I used the hand sanitizer spray for a couple months with no bleaching. I actually just recently switched to Lysol fabric disinfectant and I get even better results so I'd recommend that instead.
Thanks :)
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