Being in prison sucks though. No matter what. I mean Norwegian prisons are very clean and remarkably comfortable, and Japanese prisons have top notch food (freshly cooked and with fresh ingredients). But I would rather not have the choking lack of freedom in any of them.
I'm sure there's a starving person in poverty that would disagree. Terrible thought but desperation is common in the working class.
stories of people robbing a bank for $1 to get into prison for medical care comes to mind
For many people, being imprisoned in one of these places would grant them a lot more freedom than they currently have.
Pretty much this. According to Varg Vikernes Norwegian prisons are mostly filled with crazy people.
If you are safe from the prisoners and guards, get clean accommodations, are well fed, get outside/gym time for fitness, medical care, time to learn a vocation or study, occasional entertainment time (tv or whatever)... the only thing missing is a romantic partner... honestly, it sounds as good as an all inclusive retreat/vacation.
I imagine not having control over your own life for years at a time would wear one down. But months? If I knew my outside people weren't suffering because of my actions, it sounds kind of nice.
But I'm an introvert that works from home, so, I'd miss my pets.
There are norwegian prison communities where they can do pretty much anything you could so in a normal community. There are like 5 guards for the entire community.
Wasn't it Sweden that forgot to lock the prisoners up so they went and baked cakes?
False ; Norwegians don't look at Americans.
Fair enough.
The Americans are going to walk up on the street and randomly engage them in conversation
Norwegians when americans just come up and say "How are you?" and they don't really want to know in detail how we are but just want to be polite:
So I'm functionally invisible if I go there? Tempting
There is 100% a strong culture for minding your own business and not bothering anyone here. By that I mean that approaching someone without having a good reason to do so is very much frowned upon. That doesn't mean we're anti-social or complete strangers to small-talk, but there are some rather subtle social cues governing when it's appropriate to approach someone, and if you just mind your own business and don't give any indication that you want to chat, there's a high probability that no one will approach you or talk to you.
But american prisons generate more profit for the private sector. So who can really say which system is better?
The one with the least amount of repeat offenders.
The Norwegian justice system is far too lenient. In Norway you can get convicted of murder and be out in just five years and plus those prisons are very expensive to maintain and they all come that the taxpayers expense.
Give me an example of which country has a better prison system.
I would say Russia or maybe Theiland. Those countries really punish criminals so you wouldn't want to be seen dead doing something illegal in those countries.
I was about to make a joke about flying over to Norway and causing issues, but I don't want to be a jerk.
Could someone in Norway frame me and have me extradited, please?
Unfortunately you're not the first person to have that thought. And from what little bit of research I did into it it seems that they would much rather just spend the money to buy you a plane ticket and send you home.
Makes sense. I wouldn't want me around either.
The Norwegian prisons have higher standard of living than all the red run welfare Oblasts.
Mainly because Norwegians are pretty tall
The shame of the Norwegian criminal justice system is not in how they treat their prisoners but in who they haven't gotten around to imprisoning. White Wing nationalism absolutely tearing that country to shreds.
Everyone loves to talk about Norwegian welfare as the pinnacle of social policy while conveniently forgetting that it's a tiny country of 5.5 million people backed by a trillion dollars of oil money from the state.
Edit: I love how everyone glosses over the population size as if it has nothing to do with policy making and the politically stagnant environment of the US.
someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my country is dying-
And as we all know, the US doesn't have any oil itself!
No, but, the oil fund isn't really used. For reference, the first withdrawal in history was in 2016. The prison system is far older than that
Sweden and Denmark are very similar. You don't need oil/gas to make it possible
Someone else posted total inmate numbers from 2022 and it was less that 4,000. Out of 5.5 million people, that's doing really well compared to the U.S.
Here's a small comparison. Oklahoma has a population less than 5 million. Yet their prison inmate population is over 20 thousand. And if you look at all the states, it's a similar story. Especially in "red states".
It's also comparably equal.
If US wealth was equally distributed, every person would own about 450.000$
A gilded cage is still a cage. I’d rather work and pay rent and live in a modest apartment than be imprisoned in a luxury hotel that I’m not allowed to leave. Prisoners in Halden prison don’t get to set their own schedule, don’t get to quit being a prisoner and move across the country, don’t get to code with whom they live and associate.
Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave. Or even just a bus ticket across the country to live somewhere else.
Or how about taking your girlfriend/boyfriend out on a date to a nice restaurant? Or rent a cabin in the woods for a weekend and just relax? Or go out to the bar for a few beers with a friend? Or volunteer to spend time with some elderly folks at a nursing home!
Being in prison sucks, no matter how much they dress it up. The vast majority of things you might do are closed off to you just because you can’t leave. Every single one of those prisoners knows they’re being punished. Every single one of them counts the days until their release.
Even with a minimum wage job you can save up enough money for a plane ticket to anywhere in the world and just leave.
If you make minimum wage in the city I live in you either live with your parents, have multiple roomates, or live on the street.
A good example is to see what Varg Vikernes were doing while in prison:
Burzum remained as a solo project until 1994, when Vikernes was arrested for the murder of Euronymous and the burnings of several churches in Norway. [...] While imprisoned, Vikernes managed to record two other albums in a dark ambient style. They were released as Dauði Baldrs (1997) and Hliðskjálf (1999). Both of these albums were created with a synthesizer, as Vikernes was prohibited from using any other instruments in prison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzum#Imprisonment_(1993%E2%80%932009)
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