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That was the plan. Turn the Brown Shirts loose on the population.
It makes this legal for you too. The arms race has begun.
In most of the country, anyone without a criminal record can buy a machine gun and doesn't need these trigger devices. Only 13 states have outright bans.
This is such a non-issue, you can convert an AR-15 to fire full auto with a coat hanger or two pieces of metal cut with a hacksaw and a file or a 3d printer. AK, AKS, Mini-14, M14, or M4 carbines can go full auto with only a shoelace. Then there is bump firing, you don't need a special stock to do that, some people accidentally do that just because they don't hold the rifle tight enough.
How about we work on why there is gun crime instead? Reduce the cost of living, increase wages on the bottom 50%, create better opportunities for small businesses, decrease the cost of higher education, promote trades as a career path, lower the cost of housing, increase the supply of low cost housing, improve public transit in urban areas, implement a severe progressive tax without loopholes, and build in-person community instead of allowing digital isolation through harassment.
In other words, why don't we fix literally everything about this country instead of looking at guns?
Machine gun sales are illegal at the federal level except for guns manufactured before Reagan's second term, and they must comply with the 1934 NFA. That law was originally put in place because mobsters were having gang fights with tommy guns in the streets. Evading the law is evading the law.
Look man, I like going to the range, and home defense is fine. But saying we should do nothing on guns specifically and just give up is nuts. Firearms are the single leading cause of death for children and teens in this country: homicide, suicide, accident.
Here's one thing you didn't list: properly funding the ATF and FBI to go after FFL dealers who illegally sell guns to criminals and then claim they were stolen. Those guns are one of the biggest sources of street crime, and I'm sure they wind up in sales to Mexican cartels too, since they're all supplied by America.
Guns are a problem. They're not the only problem, but they're still a problem.
We absolutely need to go after FFLs that allow for guns to make it to the streets.
The biggest cause of firearms deaths is suicide, that can't be addressed by going after guns. You have to address all the other bigger problems. Doing so will also address suicide, mental health, economic prospects, and other causes of drug overdoses, crimes including murder, alcoholism, etc.
You can't address gun violence by going after guns, you need to go after the actual problems and not the symptom.
Making it less easy to commit suicide actually does help reduce the rates of suicide. Spontaneous ones in particular.
Wait, are you suggesting we address the material conditions which lead to violence and deaths of despair? What are you, some kind of lib?
if you are comparing hacky gun modifications to a specially designed attachment that quickly turns a semi auto rifle into full auto, i dont know what to tell you
If you think having a force reset trigger is the same as having a full auto rifle, maybe you shouldn't comment on gun legislation.
As far as the written word of the law goes, this seems reasonable. It's a 40 year old law at this point, it needs to be updated in a lot of ways. This has been on congress for a long ass time.
The Trump administration knows it paves the way for mass violence.
This will sell more guns and cause more chaos, generating more profit.
More violence possibly but it's not going to meaningfully increase gun sales. This entire thing is so ridiculously overblown. The thing in question here, forced reset triggers, just let you pull the trigger slightly faster (like less than a seconds difference compared to a normal trigger) than you otherwise would. It really is the most inconsequential decision whether you're for or against gun ownership. Almost nobody cares about this decision.
just let you pull the trigger slightly faster
No.
Yes. The guy just dumped the magazine, you can do that with a normal trigger as well, it just takes a second or two longer. Lets say it takes you 7 seconds to empty a 10 round magazine with a normal trigger. A forced reset trigger lets you do it in 5 seconds. Meanwhile an actual machine gun can do that in half a second.
FRTs and Super Safeties make the gun go cyclic or very close to it, period. If I'm being generous that rifle was shooting at ~600 RPM, most shooters can only maintain 200-250 on semi auto.
You are either seeing something completely different to what I am seeing or you are lying.
What's "meaningful"? Gun enthusiasts and criminals will want guns that can be fired more quickly. Almost nobody needs these triggers, but the people that do should make you worried. If it wasn't going to make money, why would people fight so hard to make them available?
Most "gun enthusiasts" don't give a single fuck about these. They're pretty useless as they just waste ammo and make your aim worse. I have no idea who's actually fighting for these, but it's definitely not the majority of gun owners. You're right, nobody needs these, and almost nobody actually owns them. This decision won't really change that either. Ultimately this is largely a non-story just as much as it was when they were banned in the first place. There's far more meaningful things people should be focusing on right now both in terms of gun violence and just in general.
Most people don't care about the availability of human meat for consumption. Even if it were available for sale, almost nobody would want to buy it, much less eat it. But the number of human meat enthusiasts is never zero, and the beef industry wouldn't be affected one way or the other.
If there was a meat industry push to start selling human meat, it would be extremely alarming, and anyone spending time preventing it would not be wasting their time. You would wonder about why and how anyone is selling it, and even worse who is buying it.
Certainly there are more impactful issues, and plenty of fights that need fighting, but that's not a reason to ignore this one.
For those that don't know, forced reset triggers (and the later "super safeties") are quite essentially machine gun conversion devices in all but our narrow techno-legal definition of a machine gun. Much more straightforward to use than bump stocks or crank triggers are. Any sane government would have pulled these off the market immediately and arrested anyone who distributed them. Instead the ATF approved them for sale and then walked it back after the fact, hence this legal battle.
Militia prepper types are basically saying the use case for these is for squad-level fire support, the same way militaries use machine guns. But then they'll gaslight you and say it isn't a machine gun, but also all machine guns should be unregulated.
The law operates on precise definitions.
Obviously the forced-reset trigger has pretty much the same effect as a machine gun and common sense suggests that the two should have the same legal status. They don't though because 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b) defines a machine gun as:
Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
and a firearm with a forced reset trigger does require a separate actuation of the trigger for each shot. It is the place of the congress, not the ATF to update the law.
This is why in the realm of drug law there is the concept of analogue illegality. As in one cant just take crack or whatever, modify it by one molecule, and then sell it legally just because it isnt crack anymore on a technical basis. Its overall similarity to crack, molecularly and in terms of functionality, makes it as illegal as crack
By design.
You don’t say.
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