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[-] oxf@sh.itjust.works 60 points 2 months ago

At my old workplace, there was numerous XP machines still going. They were running old machine equipment, and basically served as a controller for the entire machine.

As it turns out, it was cheaper to keep these XP stations, instead of buying a completely new Hydrolic press, or whatever it was running, which cost several hundred of thousands of dollars.

One day one of these computers stopped working, and we immediately tried to get the software to work on a brand new W10 replacement. Took us a week of drivers hell, until we eventually went to the basement, found an exact replica, and swapped the HDD over.

The company, making these heavy machineries, went bankrupt in the early 2000s, and there was literally no way of getting the software to run on anything besides that original box.

[-] undrwater@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

I'd like a law that software / hardware companies who file for bankruptcies must release the source / files for their tech to an open source repository.

[-] guy_threepwood@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

If you are a big company there are often ESCROW agreements for things like this. I have encountered the “data dumps” from time to time and whilst it’s “better” it’s not ideal. Half finished documentarian, virtual machines of mis-configured OS installs… it’s almost as if it was just a straight copy of the development environment as it was just as they made the final version of the software…

But it’s better than nothing.

Main issue I can see with this forcing open source would be libraries and frameworks licensed from others who would likely still be in business and wouldn’t agree to those parts becoming open sourced. See also WinAMP https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/16/opensourcing_of_winamp_goes_badly/

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yup. Take backups, have spares, and keep it off the Internet and it'll work just fine.

Pro tip, you can get IDE to CF adapters if you want to put an SSD in those old machines to really see them fly. Just be aware that they don't have nearly as good write durability as a real SSD, so keep write heavy operations on the HDD.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 months ago

You can get industrial grade CF cards that use SLC memory. They have much better write endurance than normal CF cards.

[-] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There's still things like that on my workplace today. I think there's some older, rarely used CNC with Win98 on the controller. We just keep spares around when they break, but that's cheaper than replacing the whole machinery. Also there's some XP stations running software for an industrial machine which would cost quarter of a million to replace. Some of those need access to network drives and such but they live in a strictly isolated VLAN.

And, as far as I've told at least, there was no option at any point to upgrade just the computers on those things. It's always the whole assembly line or whatever they're connected to. There's not many companies willing to throw hundreds of thousands every 3-5 years to replace perfectly working equipment.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 months ago

“Stuck”

Imagine being stuck using something that works for 30 years.

[-] MurrayL@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago

Right? If it still works then it still works.

If the article was talking about anything other than tech/software, we’d be praising its longevity.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 6 points 2 months ago

I mean, you could read the article. Many users are unhappy with the performance or reliability.

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[-] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 months ago

I'm disturbed that an elevator is running a desktop OS. How did this happen? Did they never hear of microcontrollers?

[-] Thrawne@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Frighteningly, i worked as an admin at a hospitality wifi business that ran a windows box for dhcp duty. I would have to go o site, in the middle of the night, down to the basement of this hotel, and reboot the damn thing. It would die almost every week. Replaced with a linux server and never heard from them again.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I could tell you the stories of W95 & XP that runs the medical world...

[-] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 37 points 2 months ago

I know it's not exactly the point of the article but for a lot of things, I reckon a good amount of 'innovation' was pretty pointless. I personally don't think I ever needed anything that Office 2003 can't do... (Of course I don't use any MS office to begin with but you get the point)

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

=Let(), Lambda and Regex were good additions to Excel imo

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[-] Twitchy1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

Everything beyond the Dewey decimal system is/was pretty unnecessary, imo. We created a way to organize and "quickly" locate information stored in a physical format.

The near complete lack of manual labor has had many long reaching effects on society.

I type this on my brand new flagship phone...

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The elevator was running Windows XP.

Clearly an extreme case of overengineering. A elevator has no business running more than a few microcontrollers.

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 months ago

It's probably only the screen component that is running an old version of embedded windows.

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[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 2 months ago

Qube cinema servers only got off XP in 2015. They're still on 7 though.

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[-] njordomir@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Good for them. If it works, it works. I wouldn't connect it to the internet though.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I run a computer on Win7 at work, because it needs some important legacy software. It can't be containered because it has a nasty licence manager.

And my oscilloscope runs on Win98.

[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I'd still be using Windows 7 if I could.

[-] the_trash_man@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

I mean, you can if you want to

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

It's not safe and all that stuff.

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[-] cupcakezealot 14 points 2 months ago

there's a word for those people: awesome

windows xp was peak; running anything before xp is legendary

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I ran Linux 1994ish. Amiga OS before. Amstrad CPC 464 before. A friend ran Sinclair ZX-80, that was the first system I had access to.

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[-] KulunkelBoom@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

MS DOS 6.6 for me - I enjoy the power of a 286 processor and much smaller instruction sets.

:O

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[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago

I’m visiting my parents in my home country after many years of not being there. I’m hoping my dad’s old pentium 2 laptop is still around.

[-] vivendi@programming.dev 12 points 2 months ago

Instead of using old proprietary shit you could use Linux or *BSD with a vintage desktop environment and have a blast

Something I noticed is that basic users (someone using a fucking 30 y/o OS is definitely one) have an easier time with *nix because most "technical" people are overfitted and brainwashed to the Micro$uck ecosystem

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[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

I would bet there are still a few old pieces of industrial machinery around that I duct taped together by imaging an ancient PC and transferring it to a Virtual Box VM.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

There are many, many machines out there running 95 and even earlier versions. The issue is that a machine from 30 years ago is almost always still using the software that came with the machine… 30 years ago.

Even if the OS has received security patches, which isn’t even assured, the company may either no longer be in business, or charge for new OS drivers/specialized software.

In many cases, your options are literally to replace an entire machine worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, or deal with the networking nightmare that is “keep this on the network, but not on the network.”

[-] Paradox@lemdro.id 5 points 2 months ago

BART wrote a PDP8 cross assembler in the late 90s, that they still use today.

https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/plucky/man1/palbart.1.html

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[-] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

We've got multiple tools still on Windows 2000, happily running production. They're on an airgapped network though, so no issues.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

"stuck" more like happy to not have to deal with the last 15-ish years of microsoft ruining everything they previously excelled at.

[-] CherryBullets@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

They lost me when they removed the start button on the left side of the taskbar in version 8.1 (I think it was) to... Be cool with the kids (I think 8.1 was supposed to be touch screen friendly)? I don't even know, but I went back to Windows 7 for a long while.

The backlash with the start button was so huge that they put it back on the taskbar in Windows 10 (at least mine has it and is the reason I got Windows 10). I'm currently refusing to update to Windows 11, because it apparently crashes when playing certain video games and I'm not about to have the other trash bugs that come with it, which I've been seeing posted on Microsoft help forums when I search for Windows 10 related questions. Fuck that noise, I don't want to deal with it.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I have had better luck with game compatibility using proton on linux than I had with win 11

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[-] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why not? Still using Windows 7 on one of my ThinkPads. It's a solid system, if you know what you're doing and how to use is safely.

[-] gamer@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

and how to use is safely.

Such as by disconnecting the ethernet and power cables

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[-] PeteWheeler@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I would still be using Windows 7 if it was safe to connect to the internet.

I can't believe government systems are just open to cyber security like that.

Are there not cyber terrorists for some teenager that has tried to do anything with these unsecured systems?

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[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I would totally hang with that lady in the thumbnail lol

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[-] einlander@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

The dot net framework was ported to Windows 95/98 so they can use more software now.

[-] the_q@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If it serves their needs then more power to them. Tech companies today more than ever make sure you keep buying.

[-] twice_hatch@midwest.social 6 points 2 months ago
[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

I had a 486DX running DOS for writing and editing CAM programs for CNC mills, lathes, pipe bender, and a laser cutter. And for funsies, an even older Macintosh that booted from a 5 1/4" floppy that ran a CMM, (co-ordinate measuring machine). And the software for the CMM ran from another 5 1/4" floppy.

This was about 2017 before I retired as a toolmaker.

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