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Top genocide scholars unanimous that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza: Dutch investigation (www.middleeasteye.net)
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A growing number of the world’s leading genocide scholars believe that Israel’s actions in Gaza constitute genocide, according to an investigation by Dutch newspaper NRC.

The paper interviewed seven renowned genocide researchers* from six countries - including Israel - all of whom described the Israeli campaign in Gaza as genocidal. Many said their peers in the field share this assessment.

“Contrary to public opinion, leading genocide researchers are surprisingly unanimous: the Netanyahu government, they say, is in that process - according to the majority, even in its final stages,” the investigation concluded. “That is why most researchers no longer speak only of 'genocidal violence', but of 'genocide'.”

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 90 points 4 days ago

Article 2 of the Genocide Convention has 5 definitions of genocide, you only have to meet ONE for it to be considered a genocide.

Israel: Hold my beer!

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/genocide-conv-1948/article-2

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

✅ (a) Killing members of the group;

✅ (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

✅ (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

✅ (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

✅ (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

[-] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hey, that’s Bingo!

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 9 points 3 days ago

Ah the Uyghur genocide would be (b) then?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

b, c, d, and e.

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

any articles on d and e?

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

(d) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713

(e) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56454609

There are far more, but those two are already enough to prove the point.

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 6 points 3 days ago

I always take a skeptical stance whenever it is Adrian Zenz who wrote the study (for d), and I'm looking at the study he made right now

Point e, though, seems to be truthful and shows what happens to the kids of parents sent to the reeducation camps

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

That's interesting. When I was growing up I was told it had to meet all 5, and the reason for Canada's colonialism not being considered genocide is that it didn't meet all 5.

Of course we all know what Canada did to indigenous folks was actually a genocide but the government would still tell you otherwise. Either way they meet at least 4 of these. Whether you want to say it was deliberate or not I guess is up for debate but...

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Well, this definition didn't come about until 1948, I'm rusty on my Canadian history, but I'd assume the colonialism would have been before '48.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

If you want to be sad, read up on the Residential Schools.

1948 was 50 years before the last of those hellholes closed.

And yes, Canada has semi-officially recognized it as a cultural genocide. With actual genocide recognition passed by the House of Commons in 2022.

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Oh I had no idea about the official genocide recognition that's actually very good, thank you.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago

Interesring thing to note: doing any and all of the above to people along politically ideological lines is not considered genocide. Millions of civilians have been exterminated because their politics were not national, ethnic, racial, or religious.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

According to the experts in the article, it’s determining the intent through observation of action that causes identification to be a spectrum, rather than pass/fail.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I mean, it should be immediately apparent to anyone who has been paying attention.

This doctor absolutely fucking nails it:

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/t%C3%AAte-%C3%A0-t%C3%AAte/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea

"The doctor went on to claim that Israeli snipers are deliberately shooting children in Gaza, citing his observation of two children who were shot twice. "No child gets shot twice by mistake," he said."

Here's the base problem... Israelis don't see Palestinians as innocent. They've said this repeatedly:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For people who see others as just part of a Race or Ethnicity, their victims are not persons, just pieces of a race to take down.

The aggressor's mental dehumanization of their victims is what allows them to just exterminate them as if they were animals and one way to dehumanize them is to look at them as just pieces of a "bad" Race which needs to be removed/eliminated.

Genociders target "a Race" and want to destroy "a Race" - that's how the aggressors see the whole affair: as a fight of Races.

The victims, on the other hand, are individual human beings who suffer as only thinking and feeling human beings can suffer, not as pieces of "a Race", and their suffering would be exactly the same when done the same things no mater what thier Race.

[-] als 54 points 4 days ago

Since when was this "contrary to popular opinion"? Personally it's blindingly obvious when Israel say they want to wipe out the Palestinians and they they're cutting off food, water, electricity that they're actively performing ethnic "cleansing" and genocide

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The article explains that genocide vs. genocidal violence is difficult to determine by even the most educated scholars in the field. In this case, all seven renowned researchers agree, including one from Israel, that Israel is committing genocide.

Genocide studies as a discipline does not treat the issue as a binary, the NRC report said. Rather than asking whether genocide has happened or not, scholars see it as a gradual process.

Ungor compares it to a “dimmer switch” rather than an on-off light.

“Contrary to public opinion, leading genocide researchers are surprisingly unanimous: the Netanyahu government, they say, is in that process - according to the majority, even in its final stages,” the investigation concluded. “That is why most researchers no longer speak only of 'genocidal violence', but of 'genocide'.”

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago

Since when was this “contrary to popular opinion”?

Ask The United States, Germany, the UK, and their "free press" that claims Palestine isn't being cleansed, and if they are, they deserve it.

[-] als 6 points 3 days ago

The press and public opinion are two very different things

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago

Correct, but what the press publishes and frames, and refuses to publishes is what forms public opinion.

You ask the NYT and BBC about Gaza, they'll tell you that Gaza has always been rubble with blood in the sand.

You ask the US government and Germany about Israel's actions and motives, they'll advocate for your comments to be removed.

How a press and state operate can't prohibit public opinion, but has major influence. American press helped to cover up the Yellow cake Uranium that was falsified for a illegal invasion. It didn't stop the protests, but refused to cover protests on equal levels with Iraq/Al Quada's actions.

Plus right now Feddit is trying to censor any criticism of Zionism, Israel, and Gaza unless it's praise for the aggressor.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Israeli soldiers wore T-shirts with a pregnant woman in cross-hairs and the slogan "1 Shot 2 Kills," adding to a growing furor in the country over allegations of misconduct by troops during the Gaza war.

"The smaller they are, the harder it is," says another shirt showing a child in a rifle sight. Soldiers wore the shirts to mark the end of basic training and other military courses and they were first reported by the Haaretz daily.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israeli-t-shirts-joke-about-killing-arabs/

This article is from 2009 by the way.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Probably Russian disinformation.

[-] muusemuuse@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

How is it that all scholars are antisemitic? I just don’t understand. /s

[-] StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

Doesn't take a scholar to know its genocide.....called common sense. Which seems to be lacking in the world especially in America.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago

especially in America

Lack of common sense and over-the-top levels of bias.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 6 points 3 days ago

/r/worldnews : yabbut it's not genocide because reasons

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

It might take some time, but the perpetrators of this genocide will be brought to justice.

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