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In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 91 points 1 month ago

As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.

As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Although not voting was the wrong move, It's important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.

The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.

[-] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.

Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.

It's our fault and fuck y'all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.

Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.

If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.

Over it.

Edit: I'm not responding to any more of you kids who are trying to justify sitting on your asses. None of you have helped save a single Palestinian life.

You're just spoiled Americunts who think you're superheroes for doing nothing

[-] krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 month ago

There's absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That's the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of "not being Trump".

[-] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y'all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn't give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit

You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don't care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don't stink

My trans son says "fuck you".

You are a wannabe. You don't give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you'd do everything you could to save lives.

But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.

You're all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.

[-] 3abas@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

You're rewriting history. People stayed home because they refused to vote for genocide, and that's what Democrats offered unapologetically. You don't get to blame the voter for not choosing between genocide or genocide plus, you're not morally superior for voting for Harris.

Side note: while the Gaza genocide was absolutely a factor for many people, I really don’t think most of the voting base used that as the basis for their vote (or for staying home). Americans by and large have become wildly selfish and egocentric, as a society (and I say that as an American who does their best to be an outlier in that regard). I really do think that the biggest determinant of a person staying home was fatigue at the status quo, and a couple of years of 10% inflation alongside the fact that everyone in the DNC was trumpeting about how great the economy was doing, while a VERY large percentage of the populace had lived through at least two “once in a lifetime” economic crises, and the playing field continues to get visibly worse as time goes on.

[-] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

Yes I do. And yes I am.

You said "I don't care what the trolley does because this test isn't moral"

The rest of us actually made a choice.

Get fucked. You helped put my trans son in danger and I don't fuck with ANY of you fucks cosplaying as revolutionaries.

You're children.

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[-] PonderingPotato@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

Then vote for a third party, and make your voice heard. If 10% of the vote went to an anti-genocide party, at least next time Democrats would realise that being pro-genocide is bad for them.

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[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going "shhh" while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.

Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.

Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians. Lest we forget Chuck "my job is to keep the left pro-genocide" Schumer.

[-] 3abas@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don't kid yourself.

[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Biden would have let his buddy BiBi literally kill every last one is us, don't kid yourself.

World opinion on Israel is deteriorating, and has been deteriorating for decades. Punishing democrats enabled the current administration.

Trump is an accelerant. He is currently helping BiBi kill Palestinians at a rate and scale that will bring him closer to his goals, faster than the world finally turns on him.

The Now is consequences of poor voting decisions.

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 11 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Let's be real, the Biden administration didn't achieve one single thing to slow things down. While they wagged a finger with one hand, they handed over billions of dollars of bombs with the other. They arranged peace talks that Israel super super promised they'd finally show up to this time and then didn't for the seventh consecutive time in a row, and the Biden administration went "okay" and handed them more bombs. Maybe Trump is objectively worse, but it's hard to imagine that a Harris presidency would be meaningfully better in this particular regard based on the actions, not the words, of the Biden administration.

Edit: to be clear, I voted for Harris, because I still wanted to reduce harm, but I really was expecting the older, more powerful, more pro-genocide voices in the party to be steering the wheel here, not Harris.

[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe Trump is objectively worse

Maybe hurricanes are windy.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Not if you don’t admit it to yourself and others!

[-] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Mussolini or Hitler. Should I pick the least worse?

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

... Yes, yes you absolutely should.

There is literally no comparison there, you absolute grapefruit, Hitler killed something like 30 million people all told, mussolini killed maybe thousands max.

"haha, should I shoot myself in the leg, or in the head, hurr durr!"

Fucking children.

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Pick the party that Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn't be willing to give a solid gold pager as a gift/public relations gesture.

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[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 month ago
[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 month ago

What gives them the authority to "plan" the lives of 1 million people halfway across the globe?

[-] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 weeks ago

Exactly. I want to know how and why anyone would think that this is ok.

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[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 34 points 4 weeks ago

This is genocide. What's more is that even if Israel annexes all of Gaza and the West Bank, people are kidding themselves if they think they're going to stop there.

[-] CBYX@feddit.org 32 points 4 weeks ago

I'm betting this isn't even about Palestine.

This is to give the US military experience with mass deportations/genocide (look up the definition of genocide, mass deportations are included in the definition) and to dull them to the idea of doing it domestically.

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[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 28 points 1 month ago

Send the Israelis to Libya instead

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[-] Bieren@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

Sure am glad DOGE found all this money for the racist fucks to do things like this. Fuck Elon and the talking Cheeto.

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[-] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Coming soon to Libya: new concentration camps

[-] Longpork3@lemmy.nz 18 points 4 weeks ago

Literally taking notes from the nazis...

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago

Not so fun fact, but the nazis based a lot of their shit on the US's treatment of native Americans, and slaves!

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[-] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Well, at least the Palestinians living in Michigan now know where the administration is going to send them.

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[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 4 weeks ago

Trail Of Tears mk2? Mk probably much more than that by now.

[-] Camzing@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Take the Palestinians in and we will release your own money.

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Wow. He did manage to top what people said Harris would've done.

/s no maybe not

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Libya: “yeah sure we’ll home them…”

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