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[-] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 118 points 1 year ago

You gotta admit this post is a little ironic.

[-] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 76 points 1 year ago

I think what a lot of people mean by that is "you always have to make other people feel as if they're wrong"

[-] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty much, if you are like the "average redditor" guy's videos, then people aren't going to like you, even if you are technically correct.

There are also plenty of people who know a lot about adjacent subjects, think that they are correct all of the time, and are confidently wrong. Both kinds of people suck to be around.

If 1 person has said something in this vein to me, I would not think much of it, if 2 or more people said it, then I would really take a hard look at myself and how I can better empathize with people.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're implying you're difficult.

Not every conversation has to be a competition.

Like in the Walking Dead games... Silence is a valid option.

[-] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Yes, I know. And experientially it is horrifying to recognize how wrong all of you are all the time. It is a living nightmare."

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

If this is true for anyone, they need to change their circumstances.

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Take their concerns seriously, but not necessarily literally.

Maybe they're accurately describing something you do. Maybe not.

Do you try to continue conversations when the other person is trying to disengage? That's an actual thing that many people do; maybe that includes you. Try different approaches, like "Hmm, I still disagree, but I don't need to continue talking about this either" — or just noticing whether it's really important to you to press the subject, and whether the other person is receptive.

Pay attention to the other person's discomfort there. Even if you're right and even if it's important, if someone is tired of hearing your opinion, they're not going to change their mind.

Even if they're not accurately describing you, they're still describing what you seem like to them, at that moment. They may be insecure about their own understanding or judgment, and feel like you have more power than them in the situation, and that you're using it poorly. (But the one thing not to do to an insecure person is to call them insecure.)

One thing they're almost certainly not trying to do, is to escalate the argument to the meta-level of arguing about how good or bad you are at arguing.

If it's a loved one, maybe they don't want an argument; maybe they want a hug. (Ask.)

[-] kakes@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Yep, 90+% of any conversation is about how you're making the other person feel, not about any actual content of the words being said.

And if anyone just read that and thought "bullshit, that's stupid and illogical," I have some bad news for you about how brains work. (Also: I used to think like that too.)

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Our ancestors used their mouths to make emotional noises long before they used their mouths to express logical propositions.

We can never do just one thing with language. Every time we're making a factual statement, we're also saying something about our mood, and our relationship to our audience, and so on. That's just part of what language does.

[-] darreninthenet@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago

Take the Keane Reeves approach to having a relaxed life - don't have any arguments, to paraphrase him "Two plus two equals five? OK great, have a nice day, see you around!"

[-] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 28 points 1 year ago

Start with first principles - who is saying this, and are they correct?

[-] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Don't. Stop talking, turn and walk away, never say another work to them. Will piss them off to no end.

[-] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago
[-] Kerfuffle@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

There are basically two main possibilities:

  1. They're unreasonable.
  2. You're unreasonable.

If it's the first one, it doesn't really matter how you respond. The best policy is to avoid dealing with people like that as much as possible.

If it's the second one then you should work on trying to fix it. That's the best way to respond.

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[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 20 points 1 year ago

"You only seems to ask stupid questions."

"I only happen to always be right when it involves you."

"I grant you the last word."

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

I know, thank you.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Take the criticism. I usually find that when people I deal with daily say something about me that it isnt out of nowhere.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago

Say nothing. You just beat their argument. Also, relax, let people be wrong. It's kind of funny when people come up to you weeks or months later and admit you were right. If you're right most of the time, but don't argue about it, it kind of fucks with people after a while.

[-] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Questionable motives for choosing not to be an asshole, but they will likely benefit from being a more pleasant person to be around anyway.

[-] Rylyshar@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I remember someone saying that and how much it hurt. Because I feel if I know the answer, I am compelled to share it. I see it as a need on their side that I should fulfill. I am a “how can I fix it” mentality. But some people are complaining or speaking just to be heard. They want commiseration, not answers.

If it’s someone close to you, then speak about it — “I’m sorry, I thought you wanted an answer or suggestion, I feel I should provide if I can. Is that not what you’re looking for?”

If it’s someone else, whose opinion is not necessary, you can make a mental note to let them have their delusions, just maybe not with you around.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

my experience with being called a 'know-it-all' is entirely from calling shit talking liars on their shitty little lies they want to spread.

examples include 'obama was a muslim', 'trump's a great businessman', 'conservatives are for small government and freedom of speech' etc.

present them with evidence that not only contradicts their thesis but refutes it completely and suddenly 'you're such a know it all!'

lolol

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago
[-] zeppo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I got that from someone as projection - as in, if I didn’t let her say some insulting and inaccurate things and then stomp away, it was supposedly because I had to have the last word.

As far as “you have to be right” I point out that being correct is objective and yes, I’d like to have conversations that make sense. If I’m wrong, tell me how and I’m fine with that. Otherwise, I will indeed say things that I believe are correct and true.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You recognize the irony of your question, yeah?

Edit: I see that you do, and this question has been asked and answered.

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[-] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Shrug silently

[-] jasonbcfcufc@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago
[-] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Say: "You got damned right"

[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

"That makes one of us."

Maybe you don’t always have to be right? Is this coming from people just trying to have a casual conversation? When I’m in that situation I usually just say something basic like “oh interesting!” then move the conversation in a different direction.

[-] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Look over to one side, do a sideways smile and shrug like Jim does in The Office all the time.

[-] gjoel@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

My dad's friend told him this when they were discussing something. My dad pointed out that the other guy was also keeping the discussion going, being just as guilty of wanting to be right as my dad.

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Related: if they call you a smartass, a retort I like is "I'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass"🤷

[-] Sulfamide@jlai.lu 7 points 1 year ago

Oooh so we were talking about the snarkiest comeback, to someone already frustrated with us, got it.

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[-] pancake@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

When a person says this, sometimes even if they do it in a positive tone, it's usually a way to verbalize more concrete concerns that you should address. For example, they might feel that you are always dismissing their opinions, that you don't listen to them in general, or they would simply like to get support when they express their views in a group so they get some recognition. In any case, they feel like you can do something to help but may not feel comfortable to express it or may not have fully identified it. If that person is important to you, you should be able to see what they want and take action.

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[-] Markimus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

"Really?" "What makes you say that?"

[-] who8mydamnoreos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Is it valid criticism? Do you focus more on winning the argument than finding the truth?

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