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[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 68 points 6 days ago

ITT: People who looked at some random headline, didn't bother looking further and assumed they knew everything.

It's a stupid headline. These tanks, are to directly affect air polution/quality in urban areas. Trees are terrible at that. The microalgae is 10-50x more effective in cleaning the air.

They aren't going to rip out trees for these. It would have taken you 10 seconds to find the source of the image and the article from 3 years ago to find out, the social media post was misleading. You spent more time making incorrect and wild accusations.

[-] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

Even with the misleading headline, has nobody commenting about how bad it is ever seen how many trees die when set up in low light conditions? These can be used in places trees wouldn't be effective, and that's before the whole "they're better at cleaning the air" bit.

[-] nickiwest@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Even with ideal light conditions, there's still more to consider.

I lived in Louisville for many years. It's fairly green as cities go. In older parts of the city, trees had been planted between the streets and sidewalks ... definitely a long time ago, maybe 30 to 50 years? Maybe longer?

Every spring, we lost a number of those trees to thunderstorms. Enough rain, followed by strong winds, would topple multiple trees. Every single one that I saw had a root ball that was exactly the size of the opening where it had been planted, so maybe two square meters and maybe a meter or two deep. (For those keeping score at home, that's not enough root volume to support a full-sized tree.)

So we'd lose those lovely trees and on a good day, we'd lose the use of the street for a while. On a bad day, someone would lose a car or a chunk of their house.

"Just plant more trees in the middle of the city" is not the brilliant fix that many people seem to think it is.

[-] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 53 points 6 days ago

I discovered when I joined a volunteer litter-picking group in my town that some people really hate trees. And I must emphasise HATE. They hate the shade they cast in summer, the way the leaves block the all-important View. They hate the fallen leaves in autumn. They hate the bare branches in winter. They hate the risk of branches falling in storms. They hate the racket the birds make. I was astonished - it never occurred to me that people would feel so strongly.

Turns out I'm a bloody tree-hugging extremist.

[-] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 15 points 6 days ago

That's just unhinged. The trees are the view.

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[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Yeah trees are assholes. They always ring my doorbell trying to sell me the book of Gaia. Constantly telling me "you can't smoke here, sir". There's a tree behind my house who constantly wears the same glasses as me. Whenever I buy new ones, a day later this tree has the same. He's constantly mocking me for no reason.

I think all trees should be cut down and burned. Algae never complain, are always kind and always say "good day sir" when you walk by.

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I guess I'm too...born and raised in a forest?...to be the same species as those people.

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[-] iamkindasomeone@feddit.org 22 points 6 days ago

Wake me up as soon as some goofy ass startup found out how to arrange the algae to display ads.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Add a blockchain and you could get libertarians tripping over to invest

[-] shrugs@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

let me introduce you to this: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/robo-bees-could-aid-insects-with-pollination-duties/

humans are crazy. You want to know whats wrong with trees and bees? It's pretty hard to make a profit of them

[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 27 points 6 days ago

The issue with trees is you need to adapt the city to them, you can't adapt them to the city. And people have proven once and again that they would invent anything to not move by an inch when our way of life is put in question.

So we push forward with absurd solutions one after the other: carbon capture, atmospheric geo-engineering, a damned nuke in antarctica, and now "liquid trees".

Because the alternative is to change our ways, and we can't face that.

[-] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

I would be fine with changing my ways if changing my anything didn’t require endless paperwork. How is it fair that some guy invents agriculture and now I have to have a credit score

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 week ago

Trees don’t attract VC funding the way some dumb new invention does.

I guess this could be useful in places trees don’t fit but I think there are other simpler solutions.

[-] glitch1985@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

useful in places trees don’t fit

I have a tree sitting in a pot on my desk.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Your potted tree isn’t a tree in the sense that I’m talking about. The environmental services trees provide are all based on size and so are predominantly provided by larger trees. Cities usually avoid planting these under electrical wires and in smaller tree basins to avoid damage to infrastructure. So practically, there are many urban locations where big trees won’t fit.

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[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago

If it's actually more efficient then trees, could be a good idea. Saw a 51/49 video where he explained the urban development in the US requiring only male trees be planted leads to increased pollen levels and has made the "allergy season" 30+ days longer over the past 50 years or so.

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[-] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 13 points 6 days ago

Welp, all the trees are gone but at least there are these cloudy stinking tanks of goo everywhere. Does anything not dystopian happen anymore? Like these things are a set piece from Blade Runner FFS.

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago

When I was visiting Europe, seeing all the trees so well integrated into urban areas was so nice.

Then we git our flight back to Toronto. Concrete jungle.

[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 21 points 6 days ago

The problem with trees in an urban setting is trees have roots, and these cause issues. The can damage pipes and other underground objects. And many trees that are designed to not have these issues, end up with stunted/damaged roots which severely effects the trees growth. Planting trees in urban settings take quite a lot of pre-planning, and aren't drop in solutions, and if the areas weren't originally designed with trees in mind, you are likely to cause more problems than solutions.

https://greenblue.com/gb/avoid-root-heave-pavement-damage-caused-urban-trees/ https://tiptoptreeandgroundcare.co.uk/2025/01/06/tree-roots-in-urban-spaces/

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[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Few things about trees in cities: (1) tree roots ruin sidewalks because they upend that stuff; (2) tree roots get into and ruin infrastructure, (3) not every curb can sustain a tree, so these could fit where a tree could not; and (4) they damage stuff when they fall over in storms.

[-] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago

Crazy thought - instead of just putting trees near curbs, have dedicated green spaces in cities where there aren't sidewalks or other important infrastructure near the trees.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Where did you get these ideas you freak

[-] captainjaneway 6 points 6 days ago

Parks? Gross. I like parking lots.

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[-] Sunflier@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why not both green spaces (central park anyone?) and these alge pods everywhere else?

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

Trees don’t create shareholder profits

[-] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago

useless pests they are. who cares that they provide free shade, free oxygen, free beauty for all to enjoy. Fucking commies.

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[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Trees take ages to grow, and their root systems damage buildings and pavements.

[-] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago

Also really really hard to keep trees alive on the sides of buildings where these units could conceivably be used. Modular trees plus trees where we can fit them.

[-] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 8 points 6 days ago

But the shade of a tree is far superior and reduces the overall temperature around them if many are planted, so overall much better.

Also certain trees dont need deep roots and can grow without neccessairliy damaging the pavement.

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[-] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

All these braindead silicon valley tech bros trynna reinvent existing solutions to problems in very expensive and unnecessary ways, marketing it as "revolutionary" and "groundbreaking"

[-] BussyCat@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The majority of our oxygen comes from algae, they aren’t reinventing existing solutions they just put a tank of them in a city and blow air into it so that a city can use the same more efficient ~~fauna~~ flora that is available in coastal cities

[-] NichtElias@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

I believe algae are flora, not fauna

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[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

These algae also produce biogas that can be used for heating or producing electricity.

[-] BottleCaptain@lemmy.pt 5 points 6 days ago

Damn if only trees created something gaseous that was useful

[-] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 4 points 6 days ago

They emit carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, and oxygen, which causes rust in metals and aging in humans. So it's a negative really...

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

People really like vandalizing trees, diseases exist, and they are less efficient carbon sinks

Like how we found it’s better to feed cattle seaweed than grass but nobody wants to because it’s different

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 6 days ago

Carbon sinks? Dude, people are planting trees in cities for the shade.

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[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I would support legislation that mandated these be used around the highest carbon emitting facilities. Maybe a few very well designed structures (algae tanks) in very densely populated cities.

These would be in no way a replacement for trees in a community but, I could see forcing the corporations to use them. Such as those that must pollute because, they can not manufacture these products without polluting.

[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

What happens when one of these breaks and drains into the sewer system? Algae blooms cause noxious odors and would proliferate quickly in the nitrogen-rich environment of human waste water, potentially building up as clogs in the sewer lines. And if the system drains into a natural body of water, the algae can have devastating toxic effects on the natural wildlife. If it doesn't drain and instead gets recycled, then the water treatment process becomes much more difficult and expensive.

[-] veggibles@lemmy.wtf 3 points 5 days ago

Back when I was a kid, trees still lived under water.

[-] andybytes@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago

"Why do you say this is stupid? You're so negative." Run of the mill conformist toxic optimist tech bro dildo

[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

The problem with trees is they are used as lumber. The national parks has always been protected. But Trump has unprotected parts of the national parks to be cut down for lumber.

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