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Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It's having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling! (lemmy.world)

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And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".

So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

On bans and censorships:

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago

cause nobody wants to get dragged into a ten page discussion about why China and Russia are the most democratic countries in the world

[-] zarniwoop@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the heads up, just added to my block list.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 88 points 1 day ago

Every time a ml/hexbear community that I might be interested in pops up on my feed, I block it, then manually search for a non-tankie version of the same thing and immediately subscribe. The amount of pro-authoritarian content I've been exposed to has dramatically dropped.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I just instance blocked them, good riddance. Too bad I do occasionally have to see posts from their users on other instances.

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[-] ritsku@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

I'm kinda still new here, so thanks for the info! I think I've figured out how to block the instance, but is there a guide on blocking or something or a way to check?

[-] EmptySlime 2 points 1 day ago

Usually clients have some option to do it but the steps might be different based on what client you're using.

Right now I'm on Voyager for example and if let's say I wanted to block your instance I could click your profile and click the options. One of the options on that screen is "View Instance" and from there I have the option to block the instance.

There's also post filters but I know a lot less about setting those up. But iirc one of the things you can filter posts by is the instance the post comes from.

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[-] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 78 points 1 day ago

In a recent discussion in the Matrix chat, it was mentioned that donations to support development have recently fallen off quite steeply. I mentioned my reason for not donating anymore is because I can't support anyone who runs an instance like .ml. @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn't do as much moderation over there, but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

[-] fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 1 day ago

Also nutomic is a transphobe

https://lemmy.ml/post/18761554

Which is reason enough to not give them any money in my book

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[-] Tetragrade@leminal.space 7 points 1 day ago

Glavset must be tightening its belt.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I could donate directly to him since he doesn't do as much moderation over there

I'm in the modlog a lot so I can confirm that that is true, however, like @fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com mentioned, he shares a transphobic flavor of their mindset sooo yea

but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

LMAO "Donate directly to me and you won't have to worry about it! Butttt it'll still go to the exact thing you're opposed to."

[-] pepsi_not_coke@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago

Nutomic is .ml, not doing much moderation is an excuse probably because he has underlings to do it for him.

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[-] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Like it or not, we can shine a light and hope they see.

I am as libertarian (as opposed to authoritarian) as they come, and I still hope I (and others who share my sentiment) will be able to convince them the merits of a world with human rights, diplomacy, and freedom — that is not needlessly violent and forceful.

We can move past barbarism, but to do so we must define what comes next to those who have shut their hearts to the truth — especially to those who have spent arguably too much time reliving the horrific violence of the 20th century.

I don't need to boycott them, I don't feel the need to block them. Everybody is within their rights to do so though, but I will keep slowly trying to win them over to the idea of a more kind and free world.

Creating Lemmy and the fediverse is of incredible value to humanity. They provided a timely medicine to the internet — a decentralized platform that is not controlled by an American corporation and ruled by algorithms. I don't feel like it's a lost cause to do my best.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I got banned to 40 days from .ml memes for arguing that the republicans were worse than the democrats or something mild like that.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 54 points 1 day ago

"Arguing against the far right party? That's a no-no for our leftist instance!"

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

I find it time and again.

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[-] Jmdatcs@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

I actually like seeing their posts on my main account. It allows me to keep up with their lingua franca, so I can more easily identify their alts on normal instances, so I know not to attempt to engage in good faith.

[-] sommerset@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 day ago

Fuck Ukraine. Nazi state

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[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 32 points 1 day ago

I think the whole "saying anything different from what we like? You're banned" thing is also playing a good part.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago

could you pls put the exclamation marks on the links to those posts in the same way you did for !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ?

thanks for this concise list of stuff .ml has done btw

[-] tal@lemmy.today 25 points 1 day ago

He can't.

Unfortunately, lemmy only supports instance-agnostic links (like, that are written to link to a user's own home instance) to a community. It has no syntax permitting for this with links to posts or comments.

If you're using Firefox, you can install the Instance Assistant for Lemmy & Kbin, and it will modify pages on non-home instances to have a button in the right sidebar that will take you to the post on your home instance. With that, after you follow a link to a non-home-instance post, you can bounce to the corresponding post on your home instance.

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[-] blinfabian@feddit.nl 21 points 1 day ago

so thats why ive been seeing so much communist propaganda lately

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 day ago

I'm a lemmy.ml user and I can confirm you won't see any communist propaganda on our instance. Communism was defined by Marx as stateless, and is therefore counterrevolutionary bourgeois propaganda. Us Marxist-Stalinists only support authoritarian socialism. If anyone tells you .ml is communist, they're spreading lies to make us look bad.

[-] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago

For sure, I only want to see capitalist propaganda.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Or, and bare with me here, neither. I don't think a single person here would miss a Beat if tomorrow all ml instances along with exploding heads / hilariouschaos and any other kin instances to them all just disappeared.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 11 points 1 day ago

Then make a .world account and look at local posts

[-] kittenzrulz123 11 points 1 day ago

Idk, I personally find that ML isnt that bad. Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world. In addition I have had far more genuene conversations on ml communities and with ml users. However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it "tankie" (yes even Anarchist discussion). Due to that it has become abundantly clear to me that the term "tankie" has very little if anything to do with authoritarianism and everything to do with leftism.

[-] eureka@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world.

What kind of censorship are you seeing? I usually don't hang there so I've only really seen their liberalist "anti-violence" suppression of Brian Thompson posting. Which honestly is enough reason to avoid, but I'm curious.

Also, agreeing from experience with the transphobia and hilarious ignorance of rabid anticommunists.

[-] kittenzrulz123 2 points 1 day ago

Generally that and "civility" anti revolutionary sentiment. It leads to people being more accepting of fascism than real antifascism.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world.

The modlog just doesn't reflect that, there's no widespread issue on .world as far as I've seen in all my time in the modlog.

What I do see from .world is a bunch of moderators doing moderator things and very little admin actions, which is what you would expect from any instance of size. It's the opposite with .ml, and that should be a huge red flag in of itself.

Are there bad mods and bad mod decisions? Sure, that's going to happen anywhere, but I don't see the .world admins in every comm across .world removing posts and comments critical of a certain agenda or to push a narrative, like on .ml.

As far as "transphobic spam attacks" that can happen on any instance, .world being the biggest (literally double in size from the next biggest) means it's going to be targeted more. And again, I see it being dealt with accordingly in the modlog, in fact that's one of the main times I do see non-.ml admin actions in there, site banning actual bigots.

Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.

However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it "tankie" (yes even Anarchist discussion).

Have you seriously not seen .ml tankies throw around "liberals" or "shitlibs" in the exact same way

[-] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 day ago

Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.

Ada hasn't defederated from lemmy.ml despite the admin transphobia.

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[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

significantly less censorship than world.

Haven't been on this comm much eh?

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[-] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the recap. I kinda get the instance federation stuff, but not fully. I realize they are flagship or whatever, but it aint like its that big a ship, even on the biggest one. Is there any consideration of defederating them now?

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