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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

2025-22-08: Due to a (suspected .ml) troll spamming the comment section, you'll now need to sort the comments by "Top" to see the actual comments from users on this post.

Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It's having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling!

And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".

So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

Noteworthy Selection

Full collection list at the end

Dessalines - Head .ml admin - Head Lemmy Dev

"Slava Ukraini" is considered a "Fascist slogan" - https://lemmy.world/post/36065538

"NK is actually good, and anything counter to that is Western LIES" - https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

"The BBC is not a credible news source" - https://lemmy.world/post/35824465

Showing support for Ukraine on .ml is worthy of a site ban - https://lemmy.world/post/32775563

Open declaration of support for Russia - https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! - https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

Censoring criticism of China while allowing fellow "in-crowd" user "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" misinfo to remain - https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

Censoring when users call out propaganda - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

Discussing winnie the pooh and/or the negatives of china is a 30 day ban - https://lemmy.world/post/35374967

Davel - .ml admin

Spreading anti-ukraine Russian propaganda - https://lemmy.world/post/34655572

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet - https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" - https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

Response to a valid report of "NK is actually good" as propaganda/misinfo https://lemmy.world/post/32627834

Removal of a credible article that was on the Uyghur genocide - https://lemmy.world/post/33205310

It's totally fine when Russia kills woman and children, war is war after all - https://lemmy.world/post/33224299

Nutomic - 2nd in command Lemmy Dev

Their continued transphobia - https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

General Tankie user behaviour

"Propaganda is good actually" - https://lemmy.world/post/36162233

"The China censorship tool isnt actually censorship! And if it is, it's actually a good thing a state has that much power!" https://lemmy.world/post/30010789

Rooting for Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war https://lemmy.world/post/29274763

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

Biden is worse than Trump - https://lemmy.world/post/33631617

Uyghur Genocide denialism - https://lemmy.world/post/33873969

Full Collection

Evidence of bans, censorship and bias to push their 'ideology'

https://lemmy.world/post/34395059

https://lemmy.world/post/32720369

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32471440

https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/35254858

https://lemmy.world/post/32222856

https://lemmy.world/post/32426343

https://lemmy.world/post/32058315

https://lemmy.world/post/35919814

https://lemmy.world/post/32775892

https://lemmy.world/post/33554899

https://lemmy.world/post/33194656

https://lemmy.world/post/34502019

https://lemmy.world/post/34502777

https://lemmy.world/post/34503244

https://lemmy.world/post/35919218

https://lemmy.world/post/36120253

https://lemmy.world/post/36120386

https://lemmy.world/post/32825174

https://lemmy.world/post/32426884

https://lemmy.world/post/32191006

https://lemmy.world/post/32720652

https://lemmy.world/post/32676095

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/32221990

https://lemmy.world/post/32222278

https://lemmy.world/post/32222991

https://lemmy.world/post/32223697

https://lemmy.world/post/32224698

https://lemmy.world/post/32425984

https://lemmy.world/post/31569892

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31596159

https://lemmy.world/post/30665418

https://lemmy.world/post/30876228

https://lemmy.world/post/31090903

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/29490804

https://lemmy.world/post/29507466

https://lemmy.world/post/29878102

https://lemmy.world/post/29980157

https://lemm.ee/post/65494823

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing known propaganda outlets, altered headlines and general misinfo tactics

https://lemmy.world/post/32764202

https://lemmy.world/post/32323822

https://lemmy.world/post/32283425

https://lemmy.world/post/32289824

https://lemmy.world/post/32337368

https://lemmy.world/post/30843744

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953


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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 136 points 7 months ago

Every time a ml/hexbear community that I might be interested in pops up on my feed, I block it, then manually search for a non-tankie version of the same thing and immediately subscribe. The amount of pro-authoritarian content I've been exposed to has dramatically dropped.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I just instance blocked them, good riddance. Too bad I do occasionally have to see posts from their users on other instances.

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[-] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 102 points 7 months ago

In a recent discussion in the Matrix chat, it was mentioned that donations to support development have recently fallen off quite steeply. I mentioned my reason for not donating anymore is because I can't support anyone who runs an instance like .ml. @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn't do as much moderation over there, but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

[-] fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 7 months ago

Also nutomic is a transphobe

https://lemmy.ml/post/18761554

Which is reason enough to not give them any money in my book

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 76 points 7 months ago

Nutomic also said that trans identity was western propaganda and has doubled down on that statement several times.

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I could donate directly to him since he doesn't do as much moderation over there

I'm in the modlog a lot so I can confirm that that is true, however, like @fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com mentioned, he shares a transphobic flavor of their mindset sooo yea

but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.

LMAO "Donate directly to me and you won't have to worry about it! Butttt it'll still go to the exact thing you're opposed to."

[-] pepsi_not_coke@sh.itjust.works 25 points 7 months ago

Nutomic is .ml, not doing much moderation is an excuse probably because he has underlings to do it for him.

[-] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 7 months ago

If we all stop donating to Lemmy just because the devs are being tankies, how will Lemmy survive?

I don’t want to go back to the bot-ridden reddit with its elon-simping CEO.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 79 points 7 months ago

cause nobody wants to get dragged into a ten page discussion about why China and Russia are the most democratic countries in the world

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I got banned to 40 days from .ml memes for arguing that the republicans were worse than the democrats or something mild like that.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 71 points 7 months ago

"Arguing against the far right party? That's a no-no for our leftist instance!"

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

I find it time and again.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 20 points 7 months ago

Remember, a true socialist will criticize Democrats and say nothing about Republicans (except agree with them about gifting Ukraine to Russia)

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 19 points 7 months ago

They sure screech about democrats and then it’s just silence for republicans.

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[-] Jmdatcs@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago

I actually like seeing their posts on my main account. It allows me to keep up with their lingua franca, so I can more easily identify their alts on normal instances, so I know not to attempt to engage in good faith.

[-] death@infosec.pub 41 points 7 months ago

Lemmy .ml is partly why I switched to an instance which defederates them. The admin and mod behavior over there is gross. If it weren't run by the Lemmy devs it would be widely blocked.

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 36 points 7 months ago

I think the whole "saying anything different from what we like? You're banned" thing is also playing a good part.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago

I joined Lemmy in November. By New Years I had independently figured out what was wrong with .ml and its users.

The less of that garbage, the better.

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[-] Linktank@lemmy.today 34 points 7 months ago

You know, the differing opinion isn't so bad. It's that they're such pricks.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

well put. and every Marxist-Leninist I've met irl has been cool, these pricks are either misrepresenting the entire movement or doing it in the worst, most alienating, factually challenged kind of way.

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[-] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 32 points 7 months ago

Lemmy.ml seems to just downvote different opinions in masse without responding with respect.

After a few attempts to engage respectfully and just getting negative interactions I just blocked them entirely.

[-] LogicalFallacy@lemm.ee 22 points 7 months ago

I'm new here and did not realize that, at first, I was only seeing .ml. I was so uncomfortable with the Russian/Chinese propaganda I created an account and ended up switching to this community mainly by accident. Glad to see my discomfort was justified.

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[-] whiskeytango@lemm.ee 31 points 7 months ago

Yeah, blocked hexbear too.

Those people are absolutely fucking unhinged and do not engage in any sort of good faith argument.

After one round, I got name called, after round two asking for clarification, I just left.

Time is precious, the squirrels in my yard are more coherent than these chucklefucks.

Hell, even two crows would be better

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[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago
[-] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 28 points 7 months ago

could you pls put the exclamation marks on the links to those posts in the same way you did for !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ?

thanks for this concise list of stuff .ml has done btw

[-] tal@lemmy.today 25 points 7 months ago

He can't.

Unfortunately, lemmy only supports instance-agnostic links (like, that are written to link to a user's own home instance) to a community. It has no syntax permitting for this with links to posts or comments.

If you're using Firefox, you can install the Instance Assistant for Lemmy & Kbin, and it will modify pages on non-home instances to have a button in the right sidebar that will take you to the post on your home instance. With that, after you follow a link to a non-home-instance post, you can bounce to the corresponding post on your home instance.

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

I tried to tolerate .ml because they've got some good linux and foss focused communities. Ultimately I decided it wasn't worth it.

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[-] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 23 points 7 months ago

I wish feddit.org blocked lemmy.ml. I keep getting vitriol and queerphobia from their users.

[-] blinfabian@feddit.nl 23 points 7 months ago

so thats why ive been seeing so much communist propaganda lately

[-] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 7 months ago

For sure, I only want to see capitalist propaganda.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

Or, and bare with me here, neither. I don't think a single person here would miss a Beat if tomorrow all ml instances along with exploding heads / hilariouschaos and any other kin instances to them all just disappeared.

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[-] CCAirWater@lemm.ee 20 points 7 months ago

"Known propaganda outlets (like RT)"

Sorry but... What's RT mean in this context? Rooster Teeth? I've got no clue.

[-] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 47 points 7 months ago

RT stands for Russia Today.

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 19 points 7 months ago

I was against blocking them because i dont want to create an echochamber(and i still support this on an instance level) but after they banned me and just keep downvote bombing anyone whos not a fucking poo tin or whinnie boot licker i had to block them.

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[-] trash@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago

I appreciate this. Id been gone from Lemmy for a bit but just unsubbed from all the .ml groups I had.

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