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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 89 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Antifascism? That's literally fascism"

A phrase spoken only by fascists

For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing, ultra-nationalist, centralized autocracy, belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy, and politically motivated threats of physical violence

Hey wait a second, one of the political parties in the US fits all those descriptions...

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

From a forign perspective it might as well fit both.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

From an outside perspective, it's the difference between someone looking at you with distaste, and someone aggressively attempting to sink a 9" knife into your gut, repeatedly, while standing in a pile of cut up baby corpses. Just because both sides have issues, doesn't mean the 2 are comparable.

[-] halvar@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If the scenario was what you detailed you would of course be right. But it seems more like:

  • Imperialism and pollution wrapped in the right-wing.
  • Imperialism and maybe just a little less pollution wrapped in the left-wing.

I don't care who fucks up their own country more. I care about who fucks me up more, which currently is basically the same for both sides.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago

They're both the same except one of them wants the entire LGBT community dead and one of them wants more renewable energy

But yeah totally both the same

[-] JonEFive@midwest.social 7 points 1 year ago

But you don't understand... They aren't LGBT, so it doesn't impact them and are clueless about how climate change affects them, so they don't care.

[-] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Fuck off with this absolute bullshit

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[-] sic_1@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

Boiled down, fascism is the belief that one group of humans is inherently better than another and as such should reign superior or wipe anyone out that resists. Could be motivated by racial, political or religious beliefs. In the US, it seems like all of those come together.

[-] uberrice@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Antifascism isn't fascism, but Antifa, in a lot of public outings (where presumably only a minority of people go) behaves very fascist.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"behaves very fascist"

Yeah those evil protestors doing violence, waving American flags, demanding strict social hierarchies, with ultra-right-wing views

/s

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[-] yata@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Antifa literally just means antifascism. If you are an antifascist you are antifa.

[-] uberrice@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

No. Antifa is the Antifaschistische Aktion. It's an organization that exists, although rather loosely organized.

I don't know about your American weird ass bullshit, but that is the actual true Antifa.

[-] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

There are many organizations under that label, they usually are not organized between each other at all and have very different philosophies of what and how they want to do.

There is no AntiFa e.V.

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[-] Bipta@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Yes that party is the Democrats -- Absolute morons, I mean just real dumb fuckers

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah the Democrats, with their, uhh, ultra-nationalism? Strict social hierarchies? Far right-wing ideology? Uhhhhhhh

[-] JonEFive@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying you're intentionally ignorant and I know this is a lot of words to read, but...

For any potential commenters who don't understand, fascism isn't when politically motivated threats of physical violence, it's when far-right-wing,

Which party has more objectively conservative views?

ultra-nationalist,

Which party literally has a group called the Proud Boys? Which party tends to manipulate the American flag for all their causes i.e. Thin blue line? Which party thinks America is strictly for Americans and anyone outside our borders is somehow undesirable?

centralized autocracy,

Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power is held by the ruler, known as an autocrat.

Which party idolizes their leader, flies flags with his name on it, wears his slogan on their clothes? Which party seems to think that anything their leader says is the truth, anyone who disagrees is a liar (fake news, alternative facts)? Which party literally tried to force their leader into power despite losing the election.

belief in and support of social hierarchies, strong regimentation of society and the economy,

Which party keeps reducing and eliminating social benefits because if you're of a lower economic status, you somehow deserve less? Suggesting that the minimum wage shouldn't be increased? And conversely, which party seems to think that billionaires deserve to have that money because they're somehow smarter or work harder?

and politically motivated threats of physical violence

Which party had a noose hanging outside the capitol on January 6th?

[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

The Paradox of Tolerance

Philosopher Karl Popper described the paradox of tolerance as the seemingly counterintuitive idea that “in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance.” Essentially, if a so-called tolerant society permits the existence of intolerant philosophies, it is no longer tolerant.

TL;DR punch a nazi

[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Love this. Down with fascism!

[-] DarkWasp@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I too remember in the history books when all the countries banded together holding flowers politely asking the Nazis to stop invading and massacring them.

[-] Syl@jlai.lu 14 points 1 year ago
[-] seahorse@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago
[-] Syl@jlai.lu 5 points 1 year ago

Peace accomplished!

[-] SaintWacko@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

Nevermind! Back to war!

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Neville Chamberlain, and his appeasement policy. It was about as effective as you'd imagine.

[-] chaogomu@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Chamberlain gets a lot of shit, but he was also responsible for massively ramping up the production of fighter planes, which is the only reason why England survived the Battle of Britain.

[-] DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

"All political violence = fascism" 🤡

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago

Hitler lost at the market place of ideas.

Fact.

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

Fascism is when you commit violence against fascism. Which is bad because fascism isn't violent. Wait a minute...

[-] TomViolence@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago

how we defeated fascism

I must admit I read "defederated".

[-] seahorse@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago

If only it was that easy.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

The "Free Market of Ideas" is just "Heads I win, Tails you lose" by another name

[-] Franzia 9 points 1 year ago

I will defeat fascism in the Marketplace of Ideas... after I defeat them on planet fucking earth, that is.

Should be an assault rifle.

God knows the fascists will have em

[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Oops accidentally ascribing the urge to do violence to Nazis as political rather than moral is telling.

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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

I don't buy it. There is a really big difference between a nation fighting an existential war with a military, and performative, mostly nonlethal, vigilante political violence. The latter is useful to fascists for obvious reasons; the experience of violence is at the core of their ideology, they have a clear path for using the trauma for hazing and indoctrination, it attracts attention, it attracts potential sympathy for the same reason it may serve the goals of nonviolent protestors to have violence seen being done to them in the course of their protest.

Trying to engage with them this way seems like it would clearly advance their goals more than it would harm them. How could it do otherwise? Do people think activists respond to light beatings by becoming dissuaded from their activism? I feel like this kind of messaging is pushed either by fascists themselves or by people with goals aligned with fascists, like involving more people in violence and bringing the overall political climate closer to a civil war situation.

[-] seahorse@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, nothing is ever enough for fascists. You can be as peaceful with them as possible and they'll still try to kill you. We had a democratic election in the US in 2020 and when the fascists lost they tried to do a violent coup. How much more peaceful can we be? It's really unfortunate but I think the reality is that fascists only understand power and violence and ultimately you need to throw that all back at them as hard as you can and send them into hiding. The minorities the fash hate will be targeted by them and violence WILL happen against them even if you protest them as peacefully and legally as possible. Minorities deserve to live in peace and security without "paying the cost" of keeping things civil.

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