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Trump Signs Executive Orders to Militarize Police, Punish Sanctuary Cities and Refugees (www.democracynow.org)
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[-] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So.....those of you who have lived though things like this, realistically what can an individual do?

Im talking beyond voting. Stock up on things? Get to know all my neighbors?

Because of an earlier Executive order, ICE (and related law enforcement) no longer needs to have a warrant. Now we are talking about militarizing local police forces. What happens if my family and I get disappeared?

[-] ungsund@lemm.ee 36 points 3 days ago

Organize. Organize. And organize.

Not speaking from experience, but if history has taught us anything, the best course of action is practicing mutual aid. Talk to locals. And arm yourselves.

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 35 points 3 days ago

Many Germans were wondering the same thing nearly a hundred years ago.

Some of them decided to move while they still had the chance. You could say it’s traditional to move across the ocean if your country becomes a totalitarian dictatorship. The other options aren’t that nice though. Once the system falls apart you could be judged for just going with the flow.

[-] Zenith@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

Where can Americans even go? It’s not like immigrating is easy, most of us can’t afford it and Western Europe is no guarantee considering vlad is breathing down their neck

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If you face:

  • danger of torture
  • risk to your life
  • risk of cruel and unusual treatment or punishment

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/asylum/in-canada/eligibility.html

If you enter Canada from the U.S.
[...]
Your claim may not be eligible if you entered Canada from the U.S.:

  • at an official land border crossing
    or
  • anywhere along the border, including rivers, lakes and other waterways, and made a refugee claim less than 14 days after the day that you entered
[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Those are some pretty interesting conditions. Sounds like in order to make this work, you shouldn’t enter through an official land border crossing. Instead, you should enter through other means (plane, ship, rocket), but you should also just chill out as a tourist for two weeks before making a refugee claim. Makes me wonder what’s the rationale behind this.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I don't quite get it myself. The only thing I can think of is that it might be designed for American citizens living abroad, but I can't quite figure out why there either.

Maybe it's just being onerous enough to discourage all but the most serious attempts.

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Canada and some European countries have accepted refugees from the US but from what I've read it's incredibly rare and requires and extraordinary amount of proof that your life is under threat and you have no other choice than to move to those countries.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'd imagine that's because of the STCA, but there seems to be a loophole where it doesn't apply if you enter via water and don't claim refugee status before 14 days.

If I were really determined, I'd at least ask an immigration lawyer about it, and then I'd plan on taking a 2 week camping trip in Canada when I thought shit was likely to go down.

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 2 points 2 days ago

Occasionally, I watch some queer videos on YT, just to see how they see the world from their perspective. Recently, the tone has shifted and some are even advising other people to go back into the closet. Especially gender minorities appear to be afraid of what’s going on these days. Maybe someone in that category could convincingly claim that their life is in danger. I wonder if it also applies to gay people.

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Gay and transgender people are the only cases I've heard of people being accepted as refugees from the United States in Canada

[-] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 1 points 1 day ago

It’s actually happening then. Reading 1930s history keeps on getting more and more relevant each day.

[-] Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Come to South Australia!

[-] pulido@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Plenty of places for Americans to go, but they have to give up some of their luxuries and entitlement.

[-] albert180@piefed.social 2 points 3 days ago

Vlad can't do shit in Western Europe. The bigger danger are our own right wing assholes pushed by Russia, American owned (social) media and TikTok

[-] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

No country is going to be welcoming to refugees from a shithole country like America, and our notorious reputation for arrogance isn't going to work on our favor.

If you have a lot of money, or have an in-demand skill, perhaps they'll take you, but any American in a new country is going to face the same difficulties that immigrants in America face - discrimination, crime, exploitation, difficulty in finding jobs, bigotry, etc.

Better to stay in America and fight back.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 22 points 3 days ago

Check in with friends and family regularly. If you go missing, have them report it and call your lawyer.

Ideally you wouldn't let them take you alive, since CECOT is a death sentence anyway.

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

All my neighbors are MAGA

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

If you don't have a gun, it's time to get one and learn how to use it.

...also how to carry safely. Don't be that guy.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

Including when to use it. It is a last resort. If you pull a gun on any law enforcement officer, even if fully justified, you will be going to jail at best, and killed on the spot at worst.

[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is the part I have a hard time with. I want to defend myself and my family, but pulling a weapon on authorities means you're gonna die. These ICE/militarized PDs aren't going to pause a second if they get any excuse to put you down. They might not even bother with the paperwork at this point.

Unless we're in a "take as many of them with you when you go" situation. But that's a different conversation than the "organize and call your lawyer" advice I'm seeing in this thread.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, as an immigrant who doesn't much like the idea of dying, I can't ever see myself deciding to suicide by cop rather than be deported. Being deported would suck ass harder than most things I've experienced - I'd lose my house, my job, be separated from my partner - but still preferable to being gunned down and drowning in my own blood as it fills my lungs.

[-] pulido@lemmings.world 3 points 2 days ago

So like, it pretty much always makes more sense to flee than to fight.

Guns should be seen as a last resort, not a first.

[-] JesusSon@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I have a buddy who told me this was awesome. This same buddy dog walked Clinton's crime bill from sea to shining sea back in the 90s. Are they stupid or is it me? Anyway I pointed out the similarities and he got mad at me.

[-] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

Absolutely disgraceful. Y'all are cooked.

[-] carrion0409@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

Anyone here seen daredevil born again ? We really got the fisk anti vigilante task force irl before gta 6.

[-] raltoid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Oh you sweet summer child.

[-] RymrgandsDaughter 2 points 3 days ago

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