I'm coming to this specific post late.
But I do wanna say that I've had interactions with the .uk admins over the last year or so. Their user histories exist.
I think it important to note that the individual admins have been public in their support of trans issues. While the slow response is definitely an issue, try not to villainize them without something concrete to back that up. Any of us that disagree with the delay in particular (and please note the inclusive plural), remember that someone can make a bad choice and still be an ally.
Yeah, the optimum response would have been immediate action via comment removals, with debate to follow and reinstatement if merited after debate; combined with prompt communication (within a realistic range of prompt for someone not glued to their instance 24/7). But optimum isn't always going to happen. My grumpy, cantankerous old ass is not often optimum, so I sure can't hold delays and iffy reasoning against anyone else, as long as they get there eventually.
While the underlying issue swirling around the UK courts' confusion of gender vs. sex, male vs. female is just as confusing to me and I have no clear answers for that, the Blahaj admin's move is I think the right one.
That instance prides itself as being a safe-space for LGBTQ+ folks, so explicitly allowing behaviour that does not recognize its users' identities, is reasonable grounds for defederation.
I think it seems justified. Ava's moderation approach may seem heavy handed, but she hasn't done anything unjustified.
Yeah, this is just the Fediverse operating as intended. Some instances are heavily federated, others are less so. This gives people options.
Moreover, it's her instance, and she can do whatever she wants with it.
Its users are free to leave whenever they wish, but I doubt many will as a result of this bc (a) Ada is awesome, and (b) the comments look strongly in her favor. Also (c) Ava's policies are clearly explained at the outset, and firmly and fairly applied.
Our approval outside of the situation does not matter in the slightest:-).
(~~That said, if it did, I would want to see some additional context, bc wine that phrase can be used as a dog whistle, I believe it may also be legitimate as well. I would strongly hope that the additional context in this case provided the justification that I can't fully see here. Which knowing Ada, seems highly likely.~~ Edit: if this comment really is it, then nvm, I get it. Tbf that really does seem like a discussion that needs to be had among centrists, but I can totally see why Blåhaj doesn't want to federate that content and thereby host it on its own servers. So without prejudicial judgement either for or against the original comment, I definitely support Ada's call here. As I always end up doing when I dig deeply enough to see what's going on in each situation. I am not saying that I would have done it - perhaps a community block or other reduced feature could have been applied, but for her server, it's her right.)
Most of the people who aren't in favor of it are not even on blahaj.
They know who she (Ada) is - and that's why they are on blahaj in the first place!:-)
Eh, there was a situation a while ago with the LemmyNSFW instance that I felt was a bit much. However, the sidebar of the community they had issue with didn't help LemmyNSFW's case despite the fact it was a copy-pasted dictionary definition.
Do you have more details?
This was a long time back, but Blahaj Zone defederated with the LemmyNSFW community a while ago since LemmyNSFW had a community by the name of "Adorable Porn", reason being that they thought it was content that appealed to pedophiles and the likes.
The community had some irl pornographic content with cutesy sorta vibes, mainly of petite women. The admins of Blahaj Zone basically demanded LemmyNSFW remove the community, or they would defederate since they thought it was reverse jailbait, adults made to look like minors.
The community description didn't really help at all seeing that it had the term "child-like" there, which is likely what set the spark for the entire interaction, but it was copy-pasted from a dictionary definition. Also pouring fuel on the fire iirc was the fact that the admins of LemmyNSFW have English as their second language, so that might have also gotten in the way of things.
It's been a while since this all happened, but from what I remember they removed "child-like" from the community description, but Blahaj Zone ended up defederating anyway still of the opinion that the community's purpose was to appeal to pedos.
I just remember seeing this all go down cause for a time since I was windowshopping for a new instance to move to, and was using Blahaj Zone's website to check what was posted to 196, and saw it the defederation notice stickied to the homepage.
Defederate an instance because of a single problematic user doesn't feel right.
But also defederate an instance because their admins don't comply their own rules doesn't feel wrong.
I'd argue it wasn't defederated because of one user, it was defederating because of a fundamental disagreement in moderation policies.
The one user could've been saying anything people could find deplorable. It was that the admin chose to be hands-off about it that pulled the trigger.
Which is a good thing, in that servers are allowed to decide how they want to handle moderation, and other server owners are allowed to decide if they accept that, or if they expect the moderation will lead to continued problems of the same vein down the road. The fediverse working as intended.
Well said. It's curious how marginalized people's decisions to protect themselves are always up for debate. If someone doesn't agree with this moderation decision, cool, don't use Blahaj.
But also defederate an instance because their admins don’t comply their own rules doesn’t feel wrong.
Read the "offending" text:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/36737764/18213591
This is hardly transphobia.
This is hardly transphobia.
Depends - many people would say that not including transwomen in the category of "women" (without qualifier) is transphobia, and the comment literally says:
This is exactly the same as saying transwomen are not women, because they are not. They are transwomen.
So the comment is basically arguing that "women" should only be used to mean "cis women", which some might (perhaps rightfully) consider transphobia.
One of the responses in that thread had the right idea
Well, they’re right that it is pretty simple. Here’s a fun experiment for anyone who thinks this isn’t transphobic: try reading it again, but substitute black for trans. Totally reasonable they should have to use another bathroom, right?
If you read the message that way and substitute the gender component for racial equivalents, I'd love for you to explain how the message isn't racist. And I'm sure there would be plenty of "moderate whites" that would have gladly explained it to me back then too.
The end result of your line of thinking is that one cannot recognize their own ethnicity as that would be racist.
It would be like you telling an ethnic Lemkos that it's racist for them to claim they are not white.
Except this is someone else talking about a group they're not a part of. Your comment is not related to the comment question, given the context.
Edit: and no explanation of how the original statement wasn't transphobic/racist after being aubstituted....
Seperate but equal, ey buddy?
Where does it say that? Please cite the exact part that calls for "separate" approach.
Be clear and specific.
Funnily enough, nobody cares about your opinion. You're welcome to make whatever decisions you want, just like the people on Blahaj can say that is transphobia.
I think it’s healthy for admins to defederate, for whatever reason, from their choice of other instances.
If this is not done enough, then we will end up with few instances dominating the ebb and flow of discussion and content. And making it difficult for voices to be heard.
If done too much, and there are many tiny clusters of communities, there are social forces that will make many of these network closer.
If we did this more, it will break the monopoly of the large instances we see today, and better things can grow
Good for UK.
World next. They do just as little about their transphobia
Agreed, if world was defederated little of value would be lost
As a .world user id be sad if it got defederated. I like my content to have all kind of point of views (if discussions are civil).
I have yet to see any large influx of transphobia comments, but will say i haven't read much comments in general.
I wonder if lemmy has a system to ban users from an instance without defederating? It should only be a last resort..
I asked the admin of my instance to defederate as well in a show of solidarity.
You should let the admins read the text for themselves first and make a decision.
It seems like the feddit.uk admins are currently reviewing this and thats why they didn't respond. They should've said they were reviewing it instead of saying nothing but let them issue their statement before defederating as well. Maybe you don't follow communities from .uk that much but others would miss out on stuff. I think its wrong to label .uk as entirely transphobic bc of this
From blahaj or .uk?
Lmao, from feddit.uk.
Why not both? Buy a defederation and get another one for free.
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