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In response to Wayland Breaks Your Bad Software

I say that the technical merits are irrelevant because I don't believe that they're a major factor any more in most people moving or not moving to Wayland.

With only a slight amount of generalization, none of these people will be moved by Wayland's technical merits. The energetic people who could be persuaded by technical merits to go through switching desktop environments or in some cases replacing hardware (or accepting limited features) have mostly moved to Wayland already. The people who remain on X are there either because they don't want to rebuild their desktop environment, they don't want to do without features and performance they currently have, or their Linux distribution doesn't think their desktop should switch to Wayland yet.

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[-] gataloca@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I've been trying Wayland for quite some time, but Wayland is a chore to work with and most applications still needs to use the xwayland compatibility solution anyway. After a long time of using it I decided to just switch to X11 and save myself the stress. However after seeing this and reading some comments I decided to try it out yesterday (maybe stuff has changed?) and then turned off my PC and went to bed, then today kwin_wayland started crashing for no reason. For a supposedly superior display server, it sure has a lot of issues and low adoption.

Maybe the Wayland developers should consider it a failed project and work on X11 instead?

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Run Gnome never had an issue with Wayland for awhile. Wayland is the successor to X11 being worked on by the same people, would it make you feel better if it was called X12?

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[-] Hairyblue@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

I want to use Wayland, but it currently doesn't work with my Ubuntu 23.04/Nvidia/Steam. It was working under old steam big picture mode but the new big picture mode broke it.

Hope they fix it because I do believe Wayland is the future.

[-] Coelacanthus@lemmy.kde.social 8 points 2 years ago

It may be related to Nvidia. Most bugs I met in Wayland is related to it. Such as no dmabuf export support, and vulkan init will fail because a bug in nvidia prime implementation...
As Linus said, so Nvidia, fuck you...

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[-] demesisx@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago

I’m not leaving xmonad. It’s such a bummer that Waymonad didn’t really take off.

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[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago

No one needed Wayland, what everyone needed was X12.

[-] glitched_lesbian@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Wayland basically is X12. X11 was extremely different from X10 to my knowlesge, they just wemt for a shiny new name and a new technical model. X12 was gonna break things too.

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[-] CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I couldn't get OBS working. X11 works for it, so I keep using it. Hopefully eventually, I won't need to, but I don't have the time to spend hours researching and troubleshooting. I tried, failed, but x11 Just Works TM. I'm part of the problem, I guess.

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[-] kshade@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The big reason why I'm still on Xorg and will be for a while is XFCE. I've tried everything from KDE Neon to Sway but they are either missing features I want or were too buggy to bother. Should try Budgie again when 11 comes out though, that seems to be close to XFCE in terms of scope and is supposed to work well with Wayland by then.

[-] apt_install_coffee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I don't see the problem, I also don't see how this is a novel situation.

The technical merits of system level protocols only really affect the user insofar as they make it easier for userspace application writers to make their software. This is why we have the distinction, so that users never have to change the underlying software, and when they choose to it's because everything just works.

[-] danie10@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I keep trying it but for me its not ready yet. Finally, in 2023 I can actually boot into it, but I get random freezes for up to a few minutes at a time. So it's closer, but not stable yet. Hoping that Plasma 6 will be good to go.

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