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[-] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 113 points 5 days ago

The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

well you can find them on social media hating on women instead. a lot of early atheist youtubers went on to become gamergaters.

or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.

or sam harris who literally defended torture.

[-] Kolrami@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Still. Putting Dawkins up against the KKK is a reach.

[-] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

each of them doing what they're capable of. the kkk used to have a lot of power. dawkins is just a misogynistic, transphobic nerd. it's all circumstance. full time hating can lead to a lot of places. for bitches like him it's mostly trying to get others to do the dirty work.

[-] Firebirdie713 14 points 5 days ago

There are a lot of edgy athiests using all their time attacking trans people these days, because an unfortunate number of them are mainly athiests as a way to hate Muslims. And the ones taking the time to attack trans people have almost all joined the alt right, which has been responsible for a lot of attacks on innocent people.

They may not be killing in the name of atheism, but they have been in the same of "reason" and "defence of women".

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

Maybe I'm sheltered but I don't know of a single atheist attacking trans people. I'm not saying there aren't any because anyone can be an asshole but I'm not sure if it's a lot.

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[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

I haven't seen that. Why would they need to be atheist to hate Muslims? You can do that from anywhere.

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[-] laserm@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Mao, Kim jong un, Stalin..

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

They weren't killing in the name of atheism though

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[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

Many atheists take part in racism and violence. There was plenty during the Cold War, collapse of Yugoslavia, Gulf War, post-9/11 and both Trump terms.

[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Yeah but they don't do it in the name of atheism. Being an atheist doesn't mean you can't be a cunt just the same as being religious doesn't mean you can't be a cunt.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

As much as I resent religion, I do believe it's fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.

[-] doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago

100%

That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.

[-] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 9 points 4 days ago

Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.

[-] Sibshops@lemm.ee 130 points 5 days ago

The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The number of assholes calling themselves feminists vastly outnumber the actual feminists. They have lost control of the word.

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[-] lefixxx@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.

This is how people "strawman". It's easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can't just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can't say feminists are hateful crazies.

[-] glorkon@lemmy.world 90 points 5 days ago

No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don't think exists?

[-] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 32 points 5 days ago

The correct word would be "antitheist"

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[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.

[-] kshade@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

People hate on fictional characters all the time though.

[-] laserm@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.

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[-] carotte 58 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
  • actually dangerous white supremacist

  • guy in a ninja costume with a knife

  • weird meme

  • completely made up stereotype

1/4: do better next time!

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

Misandrists exist, but most are harmless. Social media just does a good job of amplifying them like all outrage.

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[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 days ago

The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith

[-] spooky2092 1 points 2 days ago

Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith

They're probably going for how the religion is not what it's supposed to be.

[-] cholesterol@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

And 'assholes' just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people's minds and thereby their behavior. "Some people are just 'assholes', what are you gonna do?"

[-] lefixxx@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can't change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.

[-] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise 'lesser' than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the "culture" of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.

ETA: I am not a humanist, because I believe that there is a point at which violence is necessary and justified to protect other lives and the rights thereof.

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[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 38 points 5 days ago

American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that's certainly a choice

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

Yeah and “we can do it,” until the men come back home and take the jobs back.

[-] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

hi. proud asshole here. destroy all abrahamic religions for the sake of humanity.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 4 days ago

Nothing has done more harm than religion.

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[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

3 of these are real examples things the people on the right did, the last is a meme made to make fun of feminists. Don't get me wrong, there's a level of feminism that goes too far, I just have yet to see an example of this in real life. There's something about women in general that makes society eager dismiss them offhand as silly and ridiculous whenever they have opinions.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

So you've never met a TERF in real life?

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[-] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

There are some women like that in real life actually

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[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again

There are in fact assholes of every stripe and it is good to be aware of those within your own "camps"

[-] frezik@midwest.social 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Prefer the Norman Rockwell version of Rosie the Riviter:

https://www.nrm.org/rosie-the-riveter/

The Norman Rockwell Museum are cowards. The photo crops out the bottom, where she's using Mein Kampf as a footstool.

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[-] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

Sorry for the autism :)

Why is the bottom right picture done like that, it looks like these feminists just want to be more like men.

Why am I saying this? Because that position of the arm is there to show a bulging contracted bicep. Women have a lot less muscle there, so it doesn't make sense.

Wouldn't feminism be better when striving for things that women are naturally better at than men.

We don't need to do the same stuff, everyone can do what they want.

But don't make a fish climb a tree. Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.

And for women, being physically strong will usually be less attainable. Obviously there are exceptions. When I was 65 kg I could deadlift 140 kg, so a lot of muscle isn't actually needed for strength, but still you get what I'm saying.

This type of stuff, as I was growing up, made me actually believe men and women were the same.

After years of talking extensively to men and women, I can assure you that's not the case.

There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.

/End autistic rant

[-] KingOfSuede@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

If you’d like a bit of a read, the character portrayed there is named Rosie the Riveter.

Wikipedia - Rosie the Riveter

It’s definitely a wartime relic, but the history behind it is very interesting!

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I forgive you your autism lol, I was raised very similarly especially because I had three sporty sisters (much sportier than I was).

Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.

That's what happens if you remove sex barriers for work. For instance, most people could not be firefighters regardless of their sex or hormonal makeup. In fact most men do not have what it takes to be a firefighter. But some men do, and some women also do. And most importantly, these men and women have the drive and motivation to become good at it.

I'm not even saying there are the same amount of qualified candidates between men and women, but there are enough in both groups that it makes sense not to limit applications along lines of sex or gender.

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