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Germany has recently taken a chilling new step, signalling its willingness to use political views as grounds to curb migration. Authorities are now moving to deport foreign nationals for participating in pro-Palestine actions. As I reported this week in the Intercept, four people in Berlin – three EU citizens and one US citizen – are set to be deported over their involvement in demonstrations against Israel’s war on Gaza. None of the four have been convicted of a crime, and yet the authorities are seeking to simply throw them out of the country.

The accusations against them include aggravated breach of the peace and obstruction of a police arrest. Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.

But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 113 points 3 weeks ago

„It’s not holocaust when brown people are dying”

~white people

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[-] smol_beans@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago

How can Germany "deport" an EU citizen? Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 58 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It can't, municipalities and states can, and the EU law allowing for this requires showing they're a threat to public safety (which is why it's not a federal matter the federation doesn't do public safety). The Berlin state government wants to expel some people, so far no other state has made similar moves, and it's very questionable whether Berlin courts will let them do it. And then there's federal courts. And then the ECJ.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How can Germany “deport” an EU citizen?

Have a half-dozen men with guns grab the person, shove them into the back of a squad car, drive them to a jail, make them wait in the jail until transport can be arranged, drag them to a plane, force them onto the plane, fly the plane to an Israeli-occupied territory, kick the person out of the plane into the hands of some genocidal Israeli lunatics, and leave.

Is there any way for them to block an EU citizen from coming back into Germany?

Tear up their travel documents, for starters. Sending them to a country where they are at extreme risk of permanent arrest, torture, and execution also works.

[-] smol_beans@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Ok so just like in America

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[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Germany is always on the wrong side of history.

[-] Iapar@feddit.org 24 points 3 weeks ago
[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

Let's hope they go 0-3

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

The good side of history isn't really that of police states built on violence and blood. Germany government is not alone in supporting israel, pretty much every government rooted in authority share the same values.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Every government rooted in colonial violence, genocide and land theft, supports Israel.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It really blows my mind. Masha Gessen, Nancy Fraser, Yuval Abraham, Omri Boehm, and also others not mentioned in the article. Who the fuck gave Germany the right to decide who is a good pro-Israel Jew and who is a bad anti-Israel Jew? Germany of all countries, being in the business of labelling Jewish people as acceptable and unacceptable. The fucking nerve on these people.

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[-] BookSnob@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 weeks ago

Germany… forever pro-genocide cvnts

[-] sheogorath@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

Name a more dynamic duo: German 🤝 being on the wrong side of history

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

What the actual fuck is going on with humanity?

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

People who want extreme 'order' are really good at organizing and fund raising, and breaking the law and daring the rest of us to do something about it. People who like making sure everyone has rights and those rights are protected aren't.

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[-] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 17 points 3 weeks ago

I'm EU citizen, I go into Germany if I so please. I'll do it and I'll do it again.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

Where are all the people cheering up for germany government preparing for war?

https://lemmy.world/post/27602242

[-] finder585@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Because the Russian Federation is a belligerent nation undermining EU institutions^1^, carrying out acts of sabotage on EU soil^2^, threatening nuclear war regularly^3^, threatening to reconquer EU member states^4^, and conducting genocide in Ukraine^5^.

And that is not to mention that actions taken by Kremlin assets in the US and Hungary.

1: https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/01/27/russia-putin-disinformation-hybrid-warfare-europe/

2: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-europe-hybrid-campaign-d61887dd3ec6151adf354c5bd3e6273e

3: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/25/europe/putin-nuclear-warns-west-missile-strikes-ukraine-intl-latam/index.html

4: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-zaporozhzhia-nato-invade-balitsky-1832236

5: https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161281

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

fascism in Germany! now I've heard everything

[-] dryfter@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

Nope...I can only handle one Western country going down the batshit stupidity rabbit hole at a time.

[-] crazyhotpasta@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago

So, once a nazi, always a nazi, it seems. Carved Hakenkreuzes in foreheads for all of them.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

The article seems to say very little about the 4 people. What it does say is pretty light on facts about what they were involved in. Were they vistors? Students? Do they live in Germany? Do they work there? Have families there? Some factual context would be nice. And how/when were they arrested?

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

The author of the article links to their own earlier article in the Intercept that goes in detail: https://theintercept.com/2025/03/31/germany-gaza-protesters-deport/

The only event that tied the four cases together was the allegation that the protesters participated in the university occupation, which involved property damage, and alleged obstruction of an arrest — a so-called de-arrest aimed at blocking a fellow protesters’ detention. None of the protesters are accused of any particular acts of vandalism or the de-arrest at the university. Instead, the deportation order cites the suspicion that they took part in a coordinated group action. (The Free University told The Intercept it had no knowledge of the deportation orders.)

Some of the allegations are minor. Two, for example, are accused of calling a police officer “fascist” — insulting an officer, which is a crime. Three are accused of demonstrating with groups chanting slogans like “From the river to the sea, Palestine Will be Free” — which was outlawed last year in Germany — and “free Palestine.” Authorities also claim all four shouted antisemitic or anti-Israel slogans, though none are specified.

Two are accused of grabbing an officers’ or another protesters’ arm in an attempt to stop arrests at the train station sit-in.

O’Brien, one of the Irish citizens, is the only one of the four whose deportation order included a charge – the accusation that he called a police officer a “fascist” – that has been brought before a criminal court in Berlin, where he was acquitted.

All four are accused, without evidence, of supporting Hamas, a group Germany has designated as a terrorist organization.

[-] princessnorah 9 points 3 weeks ago

What kind of fascist world are we living in that "insulting a police officer" can be a crime?

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[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

When you start calling for genocide of Jews, you're no better than Israelis attacking Gaza.

EDIT: Okay I get it guys, you want to do genocide against Jews. Sick fucks. Reddit was mild compared to this hipster 4chan pit

[-] LocustOfControl@reddthat.com 40 points 3 weeks ago

You're being downvoted for your strawman framing. Recognising that Netanyahu's actions in Gaza (and farther, now) are unethical and illegal is absolutely not the same as calling for another Jewish genocide. Being pro-Palestine does not mean you're calling for the destruction of Israel or the murder of Jews.

There seems to be a fairly successful effort to frame any opposition of Israel's actions as antisemitic, which is a disgraceful attempt to use the suffering of Jewish ancestors as a shield against criticism today.

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[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago

who is calling for this?

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸

Strawman! There is an active ongoing genocide against Palestinians right now, that is the reality, not the one you just made up

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[-] cyberblob@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 weeks ago

What people on this thread dont realize. It seems like what they did was quite more severe than just calling a police officer a fascist.

Translated:

An attempt was made to drag employees out of offices; the attackers were “also masked and armed with axes, saws, crowbars and clubs”. Six-figure property damage was caused

Source (German)

[-] needanke@feddit.org 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That was a thing that happened at the protest in general. The state was not able to prove any of the now deported committed any crimes though (it even says so in your source and the part you quoted was about the protests in general, not the specific people about to be deported). That is one of the mayor reasons it is so problematic, just skipping presumption of innocence and letting the executive punish someone for an alleged crime without having to prove that crime.

Plus Welt is Springer media, so a pretty unreliable source.

Sourcethe intercept:

None of the protesters are accused of any particular acts of vandalism or the de-arrest at the university. Instead, the deportation order cites the suspicion that they took part in a coordinated group action. (The Free University told The Intercept it had no knowledge of the deportation orders.)

Some of the allegations are minor. Two, for example, are accused of calling a police officer “fascist” — insulting an officer, which is a crime. Three are accused of demonstrating with groups chanting slogans like “From the river to the sea, Palestine Will be Free” — which was outlawed last year in Germany — and “free Palestine.” Authorities also claim all four shouted antisemitic or anti-Israel slogans, though none are specified.

Two are accused of grabbing an officers’ or another protesters’ arm in an attempt to stop arrests at the train station sit-in.

O’Brien, one of the Irish citizens, is the only one of the four whose deportation order included a charge – the accusation that he called a police officer a “fascist” – that has been brought before a criminal court in Berlin, where he was acquitted.

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