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"Gmail alternative"
Email. Just say email. It's email.
The word you are looking for is 'webmail'.
Sadly "Gmail" is what a lot of people know mail as. They're not even aware anything other than Gmail and outlook exists. I at least always have friends and family looking at me weird every time I tell them my mail is the name of my custom domain, some even think I'm joking with em 😅
It's a sad reality.
Mozilla needs to fix their poor image before trying email.
Frankly, after the last few years I don't trust them with a browser, let alone email.
Not happening. I already pay for an email service that has been privacy centric from the start, and has none of the bad news Mozilla does.
Mozilla has flat out lied to us about changes in Firefox with "No, you just misunderstood what we're doing" . Why should anyone trust them with email?
Pound sand Mozilla.
Despite the headline, this is being done by Thunderbird, not Mozilla
Thunderbird is completely independent of the Mozilla Corporation, the makers of Firefox. But the Mozilla Coperation[sic] supports Thunderbird by hosting many of the Thunderbird infrastructure and resources.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-faq#w_who-makes-thunderbird
Yea sounds like too closely related imo. Probably best to keep away.
I like Firefox
Anything not selfhosted and/or decentralized, including VPNs, is, by design, not 100% privacy-first.
Thundermail -- not to be confused with Mozilla's decades-old Thunderbird email client -- will be an email service similar to Gmail that can be used within Thunderbird and on the web. With Thundermail, you can use either a Thundermail email address or a custom domain. Also, this new 100% open-source email service will never use your email to train AI, flood your inbox with ads, or collect and sell your data. (So maybe it's not that similar to Gmail.) That's a big win for those who are concerned about privacy.
Huh interesting, Mozilla and Proton are having more and more overlap. More choice is a good thing?
Proton?
No, Thunderbird doesn't support the Trump administration
You just convinced me to get proton
Edit: This was a misunderstanding. I assumed they were saying that proton does not support the Trump administration and therefore I was going to use them as my new mail server, but now that I know that they kind of do, fuck proton, they won't get a penny from me.
They're a swedish company. I don't think this would have any impact. Besides, I don't think it's a good reason to dump on then just because of that.
They are a Swiss company first of all. Second, the CEO praised the Trump administration for being "anti-BigTech", which is as far from reality as it could get, then tried to explain without even remotely admitting it is completely false. So he is either totally clueless or in bad faith. Then there was a huge wave of posts and articles about how he was misunderstood and how Proton is a nice and good company who operates for the good of mankind. In my opinion each and all of these facts are more than enough to stay away from Proton and don't let them anywhere near my personal data.
How does that jive with your saying that they don't support the Trump administration?
I don't support companies that support the Trump administration. You said they don't, and then the very next post you say that they do. What the fuck?
My first post was a joke regarding the fact that Thunderbird mail is not Proton mail because they (Thunderbird) lack Trump-administration support.
That was not obvious. I'm glad I procrastinated and haven't bought Proton yet.
Sorry for the confusion, I edited the comment
Hm… I see.
Okay so its not like Gmail, but is free
So how it paid for?
at the beginning, we plan to offer these services for free to consistent community contributors. Other users will have to pay for access.
Where does it say it's free?
I KNOW privacy is important. But switching something you already use out needs to be exciting.
To be honest, switching for privacy feels like a chore.
Exciting?
Why the heck does anyone need adrenaline and dopamine hits for something like email?
Well, you'll need dopamine and serotonin for all the new product spam mails you can get!
Whoah there, buddy. Easy on the misinterpretations.
My point is that taking action is most likely to occur when there is a strong, present motivation. Not just for email provider choices, for everything.
Fair enough. I would argue that the word choice and phrasing of your first comment isn't in line with the one you just made, but definitely fair enough.
I would say that if improved privacy isn't motivation enough in and of itself, then the people lacking that motivation wouldn't care even if there were some added incentives until they got into the absurd range of basically buying customers. The folks that don't care about privacy enough for an improvement at this scale just won't care about any improvement to their privacy at all.
Also fair enough.
I will try better phrasing next time :)
I am sick of tech press regurgitating press releases
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