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[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 92 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ok, this part is pretty cool:

Thunderbird Assist will also be available. This experimental feature, developed in collaboration with Flower AI, offers optional artificial intelligence functionalities for users who want them while also addressing privacy concerns head-on. On devices robust enough to handle AI models locally, Thunderbird Assist processes everything on the user’s own machine.

However, for users on less powerful hardware, the development team has integrated NVIDIA’s confidential computing to keep any remote processing secure. Rest assured, those who prefer to skip AI services can continue using Thunderbird without these extras.

I've been unwilling to touch cloud based AI, much less expose my emails to it as there's no guarantee of privacy, but being able to run a local model allows you the functionality without the risk. Haven't used Thunderbird in years, but this is tempting me to give it another shot.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 37 points 5 days ago

Why on earth would I want AI integrated in my email?

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 36 points 5 days ago

Do you want a serious answer or are you just being flippant?

[-] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 11 points 5 days ago

Well, i'm interested in a serious answer?

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 36 points 5 days ago

Summary, auto-correct, translation, text-to-speech, speech-to-text

[-] LedzMx@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Perhaps for native speakers this AI systems might not offer an much of an edge, but it does to those that have it as a second language. I know sometimes what I wrote doesn't have the best structure, so running it in a filter like this helps a lot without changing the intended purpose

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[-] BussyCat@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

“AI” or as they were called for the longest time machine learning algorithms can do things like spell check and help with grammar.

The more modern algorithms that they started really calling AI can help format your ideas, can fix sentence structure, and can even translate into foreign languages

Email is probably the most useful place for AI as most of the ones we talk about today are really good at language formatting but don’t really have any intelligence

For example you can write an email cursing out your boss saying “as I fucking told you yesterday” and then ask the AI to rewrite your email in a professional tone so that it says “per my previous email” like sure you can obviously do that yourself but it’s a lot faster to word vomit your thoughts into a computer especially when it’s trivial work related garbage and save your mental energy for your personal time

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 23 points 5 days ago

Trying real hard not to be old man yelling at clouds, but have things gotten so bad people can no longer write a simple email without help with sentence structure?

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm a software developer, not a writer or a salesperson, but I have to do sales to sell my software.

I can write a first draft of a sales email to get my ideas across and then have the AI look at it from a specific perspective I don't have the skills in.

I dont just take whatever it says and hit send though, I have a conversation with it to tweak things i don't like, remove things that I don't think are needed or add things it missed.

Do this for 15 to 20 minutes and I end up with a much more polished email that won't come across as AI slop with all the personal touches I did want to add.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Just a question on the value of time: If you can't be bothered to write it, why should anyone bother to read it? Is it really that valuable of a message?

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I do write something, and then work to refine it. Like I said, I spent 15 to 20 minutes on it after writing it.

[-] Bogus007@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago

Don’t tell that you need so much time to write an email 😳

[-] mholiv@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Depends on the email. Sometimes it’s needed.

I can spend 10-20 min writing an email that basically says “no your idea is dumb and won’t work” to customers in such a way where by the end of it they agree with me.

It can take a bit of effort but with high stakes communication it’s needed.

If you’re just sending an email to your teacher or whatever it doesn’t really matter.

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[-] BussyCat@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Just about everyone can use help with sentence structure, like can you convey your point without help? Sure, but your point can be conveyed clearer and with less effort on your part.

It’s like the benefit of autocorrect you can reread your whole email a few times and double check a few questionable words to make sure everything is spelled perfectly or we can have this integrated tool that highlights words that should be fixed and lets you quickly fix those words.

For bullshit corporate emails I personally see very little negative in using a chatbot to make your words sound more professional besides just more of a brain rot

[-] Pirata@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

We probably never sent as many emails as we do today, and there are bigger priorities. Wanna blame someone, blame the overly pompous corporate world.

[-] Montagge@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

Well I can't wait for AI to write an email for a coworker that's full of misinformation. I can't wait to waste my time with that!

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[-] Ilandar@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

I'm not sure if "things have gotten so bad". The native English speakers who actually use this stuff are probably the ones who struggled with writing in school and have always been terrible at it. That's obviously not everyone though, a lot of people are still competent enough to type their own emails.

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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago

I think I'd be pretty pleased with that actually, so long as it's on my local machine. That's because I often find myself wanting to locate a particular email that is along certain lines, or on a certain topic, or involves an organisation's name that kinda sounds similar to this one word but isn't actually that word or things like "the email where they mention they've had a kid" but I can't actually recall either what they called their child, or what gender they were, or when the email was received. Or actually, even better, in that last example "What's Dave's kid's name again?" and just getting a 1 word, correct response, with the ability to open the email it found where this was mentioned for additional context if I want it. Or things like "how long has it been since we moved out of that house?" and instead of finding the earliest email I can on the topic of moving house and reading emails to surmise when we discussed leaving and then finding which one might have mentioned that actual date we moved out, I could just get an answer, in English again hopefully with a link to the email or emails that provided the rationale for how the answer was arrived at.

Often in those simpler search situations I mentioned where I just need to find a specific email, keyword searches don't always cut it. I have an absolutely appalling memory so figuring out pertinent details to things happening now based on what was going on in my inbox at some point in the past are a very important way that I get by. If I could achieve this more easily by asking relatively vague, English language questions that will help direct search efforts that are being done for me would be really helpful. Sure, theoretically all existing means of filtering and searching email should eventually find me that message but they'd likely be more effort than just asking directly like you'd ask a person tasked with digging through a filing cabinet for you, and sometimes even after extensive filtering by all kinds of clues: date, senders, keywords, labels, subject lines, emails I remember around the same time that I can find; I just for whatever reason can NOT dig up that email only to discover it later when it's too late to be useful to me anymore and get to see what obscure reason it was none of my clever search methods caught it..

[-] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago

Eh. You might not, but the "normies" might. Expanding the userbase is always a good idea for open source projects.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

I would love a daily digest if it was actually trustworthy.

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[-] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 days ago

This is great news, and I might be tempted to use it if I had some reassurance that the mail servers (and the organisation that controls them) weren't subject to U.S. jurisdiction.

[-] ProfHillbilly@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

I asked this before but it might have been buried. Can I run this in a web browser because when I go to the site it wants me to download.

[-] KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago
[-] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 days ago

I already have tuta and libreoffice

[-] null@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 days ago

How the uptime with Tuta these days? Was hearing some negative reviews about extended outages a while back.

I want to leave Proton, but I fear for the day I need a 2FA code and I can't get it.

[-] envoy@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago

What’s wrong with proton?

[-] chebra@mstdn.io 14 points 4 days ago
[-] envoy@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago
[-] chebra@mstdn.io 7 points 4 days ago

@envoy No additional "analysis" by some random guy on internet can change what the CEO wrote and did. I saw him admire trump. I saw him use company support account for his personal fight. This really needs something a bit stronger than an "analysis" to regain some trust.

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[-] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

I am trying to outrun evil techbros but it's impossible...

[-] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 days ago

Sure, but if I can dodge one by simply switching email hosts, why not?

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[-] kixik@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Well, I wouldn't like AI in any communication client of mine. Perhaps if it's local to my box I would like that, but this solution really seems cloud based, meaning one could have an AI crawling over one's data, to do whatever it wants with it. And local solutions usually are not as "good" as the cloud ones for whatever reason (hardware availability, data, and so on):

for users on less powerful hardware, the development team has integrated NVIDIA’s confidential computing to keep any remote processing secure. Rest assured, those who prefer to skip AI services can continue using Thunderbird without these extras.

There's still tuta, or even /e/ (now a days murena), which still seem safer privacy wise than this new thunderbird option.

I'm really hoping for a "librewolf" kind of fork oriented to privacy, and betterbird doesn't offer anything like that. The phoenix project has a safer user config for both firefox and thunderbird, but that doesn't get rid of components (well perhaps it could possibly turn them off, though to make sure they better get ripped at build time).

Does any one know if this new TB service would offer caldav and carddav services as well? I didn't see anything on stalwart advertisement.

[-] taiidan@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 days ago

Do one thing and do it well...or compete with one of the largest computing firms in the world to develop a 💩version of commercial software. Captivating...

[-] kittenzrulz123 4 points 4 days ago
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