Fun fact, posting a link to this article got me banned from the Germany subreddit:
Damn, really? Where's the post?
I always forget what a cesspool of racism and authoritarianism reddit has become.
I know that there is definitely organized Zionist and organized Russian and other far-right chills on reddit, but it seems they have been quite effective in getting many people to follow them blindly.
welcome to lemmy :)
Abnormal human being's comment gives you a good idea why this is ban worthy. Pandering to conspiracy/extremist even if unintentional must be avoided to preserve the community.
What conspiracy? This is literally a thing that happened.
The conspiracy is that they are only being deported for protest when they have been arrested for a number of crimes.
I don't agree with the part about deportation without going through the courts first though.
The shit? No they're not. Some other people in the same protest committed these crimes; these protesters aren't accused of any criminal acts.
Maybe not just read articles that promote one narrative while leaving out essential information. The four protesters are accused of multiple things. Sure, they should be put on trial first and if guilty, get their punishment then be deported.
None of the protesters are accused of any particular acts of vandalism or the de-arrest at the university.
Instead, the deportation order cites the suspicion that they took part in a coordinated group action.
O’Brien, one of the Irish citizens, is the only one of the four whose deportation order included a charge – the accusation that he called a police officer a “fascist” – that has been brought before a criminal court in Berlin, where he was acquitted.
Buhlmann explicitly warned that the legal basis for revoking the three EU citizens’ freedom of movement was insufficient — and that deporting them would be unlawful.
To correct myself, it seems that two are accused of a criminal act: Insulting an officer. That's... uh... The fuck?
Insult is a crime in Germany regardless who you insult. It's Germany, not the US. You can't just harass people here, regardless of their status.
It alone wouldnt warrant deportation. However the article is still missing information I find in German language articles.
Also I support the "enforced politeness" but find that the fines are a bit excessive. Should rather be treated like a traffic infraction instead
So just to make something clear here, because this has been hotly debated in Germany, and people have been doing a disservice to both sides, IMO:
Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
So, the former is usually brought up by people, when arguing this is not a case of just protest, numbers I've seen were something like 100k in damages and threatening people with axes used in the break-in. This is usually used to elicit a response of "Oh, okay, they deserve it then."
Thing is: No matter what they did, they deserve proper legal procedure happening, put in front of a court, and to be considered innocent until proven guilty. The whole deportation rhetoric is being used to create a precedent to suspend the rule of law. It's also clearly used in bad faith, also targeting people that haven't had a home outside of Germany in many years, up to decades.
The whole issue of Palestine is very contentious in Germany, as the article points out, and a tool used to create division, not just in society as a whole, but also specifically to create division within the left. My point being: No matter, if you personally think that these people deserve some big punishment, and that the things done were not okay - if you end up supporting this specific way to get there, you are supporting suspension of law, encroaching a new standard of punishment without trial, and the growth of fascism. It really is a "first they came for" situation, don't ever think that this is implemented by people that won't ultimately also use it against you and your own interests down the line.
Note that they're accused of attending a protest where these things (the property damage stuff) happened, not actually doing these things. None of the four protesters face any criminal accusations.
I can totally understand Germany feeling obligated to help relatives of a population they genocided. But helping them while they genocide other people should be a red line.
Yeah the German attitude of "we genocided these people in the past therefore it's our obligation to help them genocide other people" is pretty odd.
Yeah why our government sends weapons despite recent developments is beyond me. The Israeli government crossed the red line over a year ago. Instead of focussing on Hamas and saving the hostages, they decided to commit war crimes.
C'mon Germany do better
Dude where the fuck am I supposed to even migrate to?
Austria? Maybe Switzerland? Maybe Ireland....
If you are against the existence of Israel, support Hamas or against a two state solution, don't come to Germany or Austria. You wont be welcome here.
Btw. Most Germans support a Palestinian state and an end to the war, but also Israel's right to existence.
Germany are not the moral bastions you are portraying them as. Calling human rights supporters terrorists while you cosy up to genocidal regimes is plainly dishonest.
Germany doesn't allow hate speech like the US does. And Hamas arent human rights supporters.
Sorry but why do they keep using hamas' triangle symbol if they don't support hamas?
Employees reported that they were asked to leave their offices in English that was difficult to understand and under threat of violence. People who did not comply were physically attacked
traumatizing random employees, great way to protest /s
Ireland never genocided anyone.
Oh but wait, who was there before Celtic people arrived?
Good job getting right wing nutjobs elected liberals.
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