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[-] myrmidex@slrpnk.net 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Great pick by @realDonaldTrump . 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.

Andy Yen, Proton CEO, on X

[-] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Interesting read to get some perspective on this.

https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

I thought it was disappointing and unnecessary for Andy to say anything at all about this, and especially in support of any of the actions of the Trump admin, but I have personally decided to let it slide. That article is one of the reasons. But I still don't think it is ideal.

[-] Chastity2323@midwest.social 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

To me, the point is less about him being MAGA and more about him alienating a massive portion of his userbase and then completely botching the PR response by doubling down and failing to apologize or seemingly even understand why what he said matters to people.

Also his either inability to understand that Gail Slater sucks complete ass or his refusal to understand that fact. A leader in privacy should not be praising someone like her and celebrating the departure of Lina Khan. The discussion about whether it's incompetence or maliciousness is less important to me.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago

but where's the Proton Drive application for Linux!? ... I sincerely hope Proton is working on it

It appears the author didn't read the blog posts they linked:

"Over the next few months, we’ll enhance the app further by adding more new features and releasing the Software Development Kit (SDK) that the new macOS app is based on, which we anticipate will serve as the basis for a highly requested Linux app."

It sounds like they haven't even started. Hopefully the SDK covers most of the functionality and the Linux app is minimal additional effort.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 24 points 6 days ago

It's a bit of a joke to have a supposed privacy company and then not have any support for Linux

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 27 points 6 days ago

And to close down the Mastodon account.

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago
[-] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Wait what? I was just about to switch to Proton from gmail to avoid giving oligarchs more money and data?

They really supported the fascists?

[-] mikesixgolf@nerdica.net 3 points 6 days ago

@RecursiveParadox @noodlejetski

What throwaway email services to verify proton have you all been having luck with recently?

edit:
onionmail.org
tuta.com
mailfence.com
guerrillamail.com
yopmail.com/en/email-generator (Generate Randomly an Anonymous Email for Free)
nbox.notif.me (Free Anonymous and Private Disposable Address Provider)
addy.io (Open-source Anonymous Email Forwarding)
secure-email.org
maildrop.cc
mailinator.com
secure-email.org
librem.one
flashbox.5july.org (Flashbox - Anonymous Disposable Email)
user.disroot.org/pwm/public/ne… (Disroot)
throwawaymail.com
nbox.notif.me (Anonymous, Private, Free)
csmail3thcskmzvjicww3qdkvrhb6p… (cs.email - Disposable Temporary E-Mail Address)
torbox36ijlcevujx7mjb4oiusvwgv… (TorBox)
6n5nbusxgyw46juqo3nt5v4zuivdbc… (Morke)
mail2torjgmxgexntbrmhvgluavhj7… (Mail2Tor)
2nxpboa3ya52j5au4gxwkdt4nxoh5g… (SecretMail)
ovhcd6qhuz22bid42pw7unwfqf7i55… (Hobe Onion Mail)
5nm4mdhzyfbif6i5qv3kh4i7j2trlb… (Hidden Mail Onion Server)
onionmail.org (Clearnet)
pflujznptk5lmuf6xwadfqy6nffykd… (Onion Mail)
en.vzoc4aylgsqwexe6okjbz2ix5at… (OnionMail)
j3bv7g27oramhbxxuv6gl3dcyfmf44… (adunanza Onion Mail)
eot3almpracnkz7gz3r5yr3qaymngq… (Dozaru Onion Mail)
2nxpboa3ya52j5au4gxwkdt4nxoh5g… (Systemli)
systemli.org/en/ (Systemli Clearnet)
fozdean5ayswi6jtseg2fgyysqt3ds… | Underworld.dog Onion Email"

[-] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Hey thanks! Massive list, do you have a personal short list? Main thing is I need lots of storage.

[-] markvandijk@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

I don't think he use all those services. If you want storages with like > 1 TB you'll probably want to set up your own NAS and make back ups. Currently I use StartMail, 30GB storage and if you ask my personal list I should say use them for their disposable email service if that is what you're looking for. If you don't bother having disposable emails I suggest go for Tuta/StartMail. Tuta has a friendly userface and 500GB storage, while StartMail has less storage but more options.

[-] Chastity2323@midwest.social 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

And to repeatedly fail to update their github with the latest source code for their mobile apps, and to not have their apps on f-droid, and to not support notifications of any kind on a degoogled android OS, and to not support monero payments, and to add a Zoom button to everyone's calendar by default with no disclaimer about using Zoom, and to limit custom domain aliases.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago

and to not support notifications

Not supporting UnifiedPush is also another hilarious oversight.

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Not really, it doesn't make business sense to support 2% market share.

Definitely a joke to have a European privacy company that supports republicans and nazis.

[-] Alk@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago

The people concerned this much with privacy are certainly less than 2%. They're already in a niche market for the purpose of privacy. Not that much of a leap to support Linux (which by the way is likely higher than 2% of their user base.)

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 6 days ago

Yes but they also know Linux users will happily evangelize things even when they are shit and missing a bunch of features, so why put in effort?

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 7 points 6 days ago

it doesn't make business sense to support 2% market share.

It makes sense if you expect anyone to believe you support privacy.

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 2 points 6 days ago

They shouldn't expect that after the whole nazi thing.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago
[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 6 days ago
[-] moreeni@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

None of these provide Docs and Drive services.

[-] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

And none of these will stick it to you on multiple fronts if it ever comes down to it.

You want safety, diversify. You want convenience, go all in.

[-] Alk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

None of these incorporate email aliases automatically with a password manager

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 7 points 6 days ago

Bitwarden does. Not sure what your email provider has to do with a login manager though.

[-] Alk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Because it's all built in. Proton password manager can create a new login for a site. In the same process it also generates a password, creates a new email with a domain that can't be linked back to me, with no setup on my end. Technically I can set up bitwarden to do that but it's a lot of configuration and it will end up using my domain for every email which, even if it can't be linked back to me, all of my email addresses can be linked to each other by merit of using the same domain.

Until there is a major competitor to Proton that solves all of that, there is no alternative.

[-] easily3667@lemmus.org 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I guess if you're not willing to press a few extra buttons every time you make a new login you're right, there's no alternative.

Personally I don't make new logins that I need "full" anonymity enough that I value those clicks over the massive downsides of supporting proton.

Id be cautious about assuming the emails can't be traced back to you. After all, proton (or anonaddy) is storing the mapping unencrypted by definition.

[-] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 days ago

Kept me waiting long enough that I’m no longer a Proton user. Selfhosted Nextcloud goes weeeeeeeeee

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