Not to mention the stigma, especially from unrelated doctors who see the med in your file. : adhd

[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

What's recreational about it?

"Oh boy! I feel amazing! I can get out of bed in the night without falling over my floordrobe!"

Yeah, sure... Super fun.

[-] nature_man 5 points 12 hours ago

For people with ADHD, some ADHD medication has a calming & focusing effect, that same medication has an energizing and euphoric for some (not all) neurotypical people, while also increasing their focus at the same time.

[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 5 points 13 hours ago

floordrobe

TIL. This sounds amazing, ty.

[-] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

It's a prescription drug like any other, if u take it while diagnosed it'll js make you normal, but if you take it recreationally it'll act like a drug with all the side-effects.

If you take morphine for example, when in a fuckton of pain, it'll get rid of your pain, but if you take it recreationally it'll work like any other recreational drug does. It's obviously very simplified ik, and I could've worded it better but it gets my point across.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

because the non-disabled enjoy taking the pill for fun

How terrible!!!! But what specific horrible drug is this? so many fun illegal ones.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It's Adderall.

[-] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

Neurotypical people: Can't wait to party!

flicker: The laundry ain't gonna do itself and I'm not allowed to do it without drugs soooo...

[-] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 45 points 1 day ago

I mean...I guess there would be a stigma attached, but idk anyone who's a loser enough to really care. Adderall is great for people with debilitating ADHD, and it's also wonderful as a party drug with relatively few negative side effects (if not abused).

People need to be less dumb, lose the stigma, open up the supply & legalize it....as somebody else said an "adult" with $20 can go buy a handle (1.75L) of alcohol/liquid death with no guard rails, so what exactly are we so scared of, here? People getting the drugs they need? People more alert & honed in at their job? People having lots of fun at a party?! Oh my god, we simply can't have that. 🙄

Don't be dumb. Just don't be dumb, yes, it really is that simple. Legalization will inevitably bring about regulation & moderation.

[-] Fredthefishlord 10 points 1 day ago

People are dumb though. And regulations need to account for that.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago

True, but regulations. Prohibition is the absence of regulation

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Nah. Lack of regulations handles that just as well. They can die from stupidity, I don't care, we need to make stupid fatal again, there's no way a lot of these mouth breathing fucks could have survived in the wild.

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 11 hours ago

They don't just hurt themselves though. They damage infrastructure, add hospital workloads, and harass people on public transit

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm not saying there would not be a difficult adjustment period....Oh wait. Are you suggesting a more direct method?

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Guess I'm a loser for caring that doctors have refused to treat me unless I go off the ADHD meds then

[-] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

Doctor's who don't suck at treating anything that requires controlled substances are few and far between. Many are ignorant about the actual laws governing scheduled substances so they just try to minimize prescribing any even if it means worse care for the patient.

[-] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 14 points 1 day ago

No, that does not apply to you. You are not the one being critical, imposing a stigma onto others, and refusing care. You are the victim or affected party, not the aggressor causing problems.

It's like saying...people that mug others on the streets & steal their money are real losers. They should make their own money. I'm not pointing to the person they rob & call them losers. ¯\(°_o)/¯

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Ooooh I thanks for clarifying!

[-] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

As someone who was denied treatment for my ADHD because I am able to hold a job (diagnosed late in life) I'm curious: why on earth would doctors deny treatment the other way around too? That sounds so illogical.

If I'm intruding too much - just dont reply, I understand.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I was denied treatment for ADHD too, because I have a bachelor's! Old psych said even a high school diploma is impossible for ADHD folks. Glad I was able to switch to a new psych who diagnosed me at 27.

Ok so I have autoimmune hyperthyroidism. This, among other things, gives me low blood pressure and a high heart rate. By 'refusing to treat me' I mostly mean that doctors have immediately jumped to the conclusion that my ADHD meds are the one and only cause, refusing further tests. Saying I need to go off the meds and if the symptoms persist I should come back. Even though I know and told them that I've had these symptoms for years, and have only been on these meds for half a year. This shows up in my file. I've also had a GP refuse to renew my prescription because he, too, thought I couldnt possibly have adhd since I'm educated and employed. I've also repeatedly felt like doctors think I'm just drug seeking instead of in actual need of these meds. Like, for example, being told that it's irresponsible that I take them by a different GP.

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That..that never happened did it Homer? (Like for FFS they can see why you have a prescription and it's not like they've never heard of ADD)

[-] prole 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For me it's, "... But you hate the way the medicine makes you feel so you refuse to take it despite knowing it would make many aspects of your life more manageable."

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Common problem with a lot of meds, including antidepressants and antipsychotics. I knew someone who didn't want to take their meds because it made them fat, and that was to counteract delusions and paranoia from schizophrenia. It's been decades, so I think the meds are better but the point is, yeah, lots of people have to pick and even if the side effects are less bad, you're actively having to choose to cause that to yourself.

[-] prole 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Totally. And for me, I'm able to (at least appear to) be an upstanding, productive member of society without ADHD meds, so I can get away with not taking them.

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Delusions, presumably.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Haha thanks, fixed. Autocorrect + sleepy morning.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I wish methylphenidate didn't make me feel like my heart is about to explode if I take it for more than 4 days in a row

[-] Aphelion@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I am right there with you too. I wish any of the medication options worked for me.

[+] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

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[-] Jank@literature.cafe 9 points 1 day ago

Everyone's bodies handle drugs differently. Strattera pushed my heart rate way up and giving it time didn't stop it. Multiple stimulants didn't do that to me.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Glad it works for you. No reason to shame others because different things work for them.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Oof, straterra made a friend of mine suicidal after a few years (they're ok now, don't worry). I'm sure you already know, but talk to a doc ASAP if you start feeling like that

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Phentermine makes me vibrate at 1200hz

[-] waigl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

… "and the government doesn't want them to"?
The last part kinda doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the government doesn't want the non-disabled to enjoy taking that for fun, how does that contribute to the problem? It could have made sense if it said "even though" instead of "and", but the way it is, it's just confusing.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago

Seems to make sense to me. The "and the government doesn't want them to" part is the explanation for why it is nearly impossible to get.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

This is what I meant. My native language tends to have much longer sentences than English, making my sentence structure more complex than what most are used to. So this is definitely partly on me.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago

What you wrote was perfectly normal and made sense to me right away

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Thank you, I genuinely appreciate that you let me know!

[-] Master@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

I looked at it like marijuana. Government doesnt want you to use it so its hard to get even though it can help with chronic pain and nausea and depression.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago

Exactly, they don't care if you're a person who needs it, they don't want anyone to use it at all.

[-] ProfAel@feddit.org 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Non disabled people enjoying the drug, isn’t what makes the drug hard to get. The drug is hard to get because the government tries to keep it away from people.

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Drugs are much cheaper to produce then they are sold as.

Just produce enough for everyone that wants them but restrict it to having to pass drug safety education and a consent check if not doctor prescribed. Have thoughtful regulations and awareness about the whole thing.

That some people will misuse something is no excuses to keep it from those that medically require it. And compared to the curent climate. Any drug naive “adult” can buy a liquor bottle of death almost everywhere with next to zero guardrails in place.

[-] jadedwench@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

My understanding though (US) is the DEA limits the raw ingredient supply with no regard to the demand by patients. The drug manufacturers get what they get whenever the DEA decides they are allowed to have it.

It sucks having the government decide whether I get my medication each month. It sucks having to submit to drug tests to prove I am taking my meds and not hoarding/selling them. I have a giant stack of paperwork from formal testing I had, which I had to pay for out of pocket because insurance doesn't cover it. It was something like 600-800 dollars. That is enough dammit. I shouldn't have to live in fear that my medication will be taken away or refilled late because I can't even request my refill until the last minute.

[-] vorpuni@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Generic methylphenidate is less than 20€ a month in France counting pharmacist's commission for handing over the box and the manufacturer's profit. Americans are getting scammed. (Oh and most French people would pay at most 2€ for this since the national insurance scheme covers it)

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