Not to mention the stigma, especially from unrelated doctors who see the med in your file. : adhd

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

So, my doctor starts me out on the non-stimulant medications, even though they're known to be less effective, because the stimulants are so tightly controlled. It's ass-backwards. I feel like crap and my symptoms are marginally better.

[-] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 49 points 3 weeks ago

I mean...I guess there would be a stigma attached, but idk anyone who's a loser enough to really care. Adderall is great for people with debilitating ADHD, and it's also wonderful as a party drug with relatively few negative side effects (if not abused).

People need to be less dumb, lose the stigma, open up the supply & legalize it....as somebody else said an "adult" with $20 can go buy a handle (1.75L) of alcohol/liquid death with no guard rails, so what exactly are we so scared of, here? People getting the drugs they need? People more alert & honed in at their job? People having lots of fun at a party?! Oh my god, we simply can't have that. 🙄

Don't be dumb. Just don't be dumb, yes, it really is that simple. Legalization will inevitably bring about regulation & moderation.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

Methamphetamines used to be legal, and they were advertised that way: take this pill, get more energy, and stay alert and focused at work. If I had to guess, I'd say they became illegal once people started overdosing. I'm not defending it, but I think it's interesting that you used to be able to buy it over the counter and now you can't anymore. Same thing with cocaine, actually, and I'm sure that's the same problem. People get addicted, use too much, and die.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Guess I'm a loser for caring that doctors have refused to treat me unless I go off the ADHD meds then

[-] CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe 16 points 3 weeks ago

No, that does not apply to you. You are not the one being critical, imposing a stigma onto others, and refusing care. You are the victim or affected party, not the aggressor causing problems.

It's like saying...people that mug others on the streets & steal their money are real losers. They should make their own money. I'm not pointing to the person they rob & call them losers. ¯\(°_o)/¯

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Ooooh I thanks for clarifying!

[-] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 weeks ago

As someone who was denied treatment for my ADHD because I am able to hold a job (diagnosed late in life) I'm curious: why on earth would doctors deny treatment the other way around too? That sounds so illogical.

If I'm intruding too much - just dont reply, I understand.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I was denied treatment for ADHD too, because I have a bachelor's! Old psych said even a high school diploma is impossible for ADHD folks. Glad I was able to switch to a new psych who diagnosed me at 27.

Ok so I have autoimmune hyperthyroidism. This, among other things, gives me low blood pressure and a high heart rate. By 'refusing to treat me' I mostly mean that doctors have immediately jumped to the conclusion that my ADHD meds are the one and only cause, refusing further tests. Saying I need to go off the meds and if the symptoms persist I should come back. Even though I know and told them that I've had these symptoms for years, and have only been on these meds for half a year. This shows up in my file. I've also had a GP refuse to renew my prescription because he, too, thought I couldnt possibly have adhd since I'm educated and employed. I've also repeatedly felt like doctors think I'm just drug seeking instead of in actual need of these meds. Like, for example, being told that it's irresponsible that I take them by a different GP.

[-] SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for typing it out! Doctors jumping to conclusions that are demonstratebly false by facts happened far too often to me too. Adapting by choosing a different one seems often the only solution.

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That..that never happened did it Homer? (Like for FFS they can see why you have a prescription and it's not like they've never heard of ADD)

[-] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

Doctor's who don't suck at treating anything that requires controlled substances are few and far between. Many are ignorant about the actual laws governing scheduled substances so they just try to minimize prescribing any even if it means worse care for the patient.

[-] Fredthefishlord 12 points 3 weeks ago

People are dumb though. And regulations need to account for that.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

True, but regulations. Prohibition is the absence of regulation

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Nah. Lack of regulations handles that just as well. They can die from stupidity, I don't care, we need to make stupid fatal again, there's no way a lot of these mouth breathing fucks could have survived in the wild.

[-] Fredthefishlord 2 points 3 weeks ago

They don't just hurt themselves though. They damage infrastructure, add hospital workloads, and harass people on public transit

[-] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not saying there would not be a difficult adjustment period....Oh wait. Are you suggesting a more direct method?

[-] Fredthefishlord 1 points 3 weeks ago

They wouldn't just die dude. They'd stick around, forever clogging the system. Some might die, sure, but plenty wouldn't.

No, I'm mot suggesting a more "direct" solution, because fascism is fuckin awful

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[-] prole 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

For me it's, "... But you hate the way the medicine makes you feel so you refuse to take it despite knowing it would make many aspects of your life more manageable."

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Common problem with a lot of meds, including antidepressants and antipsychotics. I knew someone who didn't want to take their meds because it made them fat, and that was to counteract delusions and paranoia from schizophrenia. It's been decades, so I think the meds are better but the point is, yeah, lots of people have to pick and even if the side effects are less bad, you're actively having to choose to cause that to yourself.

[-] prole 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Totally. And for me, I'm able to (at least appear to) be an upstanding, productive member of society without ADHD meds, so I can get away with not taking them.

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Delusions, presumably.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Haha thanks, fixed. Autocorrect + sleepy morning.

[-] Aphelion@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

I am right there with you too. I wish any of the medication options worked for me.

[-] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I wish methylphenidate didn't make me feel like my heart is about to explode if I take it for more than 4 days in a row

[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

What's recreational about it?

"Oh boy! I feel amazing! I can get out of bed in the night without falling over my floordrobe!"

Yeah, sure... Super fun.

[-] Echolynx@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago

floordrobe

TIL. This sounds amazing, ty.

[-] nature_man 5 points 3 weeks ago

For people with ADHD, some ADHD medication has a calming & focusing effect, that same medication has an energizing and euphoric for some (not all) neurotypical people, while also increasing their focus at the same time.

[-] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

Neurotypical people: Can't wait to party!

flicker: The laundry ain't gonna do itself and I'm not allowed to do it without drugs soooo...

[-] Charlxmagne@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

It's a prescription drug like any other, if u take it while diagnosed it'll js make you normal, but if you take it recreationally it'll act like a drug with all the side-effects.

If you take morphine for example, when in a fuckton of pain, it'll get rid of your pain, but if you take it recreationally it'll work like any other recreational drug does. It's obviously very simplified ik, and I could've worded it better but it gets my point across.

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[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

Glad it works for you. No reason to shame others because different things work for them.

[-] Jank@literature.cafe 10 points 3 weeks ago

Everyone's bodies handle drugs differently. Strattera pushed my heart rate way up and giving it time didn't stop it. Multiple stimulants didn't do that to me.

[-] Cort@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Oof, straterra made a friend of mine suicidal after a few years (they're ok now, don't worry). I'm sure you already know, but talk to a doc ASAP if you start feeling like that

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Phentermine makes me vibrate at 1200hz

[-] waigl@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

… "and the government doesn't want them to"?
The last part kinda doesn't make a lot of sense.

If the government doesn't want the non-disabled to enjoy taking that for fun, how does that contribute to the problem? It could have made sense if it said "even though" instead of "and", but the way it is, it's just confusing.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago

Seems to make sense to me. The "and the government doesn't want them to" part is the explanation for why it is nearly impossible to get.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

This is what I meant. My native language tends to have much longer sentences than English, making my sentence structure more complex than what most are used to. So this is definitely partly on me.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago

What you wrote was perfectly normal and made sense to me right away

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you, I genuinely appreciate that you let me know!

[-] ProfAel@feddit.org 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Non disabled people enjoying the drug, isn’t what makes the drug hard to get. The drug is hard to get because the government tries to keep it away from people.

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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Drugs are much cheaper to produce then they are sold as.

Just produce enough for everyone that wants them but restrict it to having to pass drug safety education and a consent check if not doctor prescribed. Have thoughtful regulations and awareness about the whole thing.

That some people will misuse something is no excuses to keep it from those that medically require it. And compared to the curent climate. Any drug naive “adult” can buy a liquor bottle of death almost everywhere with next to zero guardrails in place.

[-] jadedwench@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago

My understanding though (US) is the DEA limits the raw ingredient supply with no regard to the demand by patients. The drug manufacturers get what they get whenever the DEA decides they are allowed to have it.

It sucks having the government decide whether I get my medication each month. It sucks having to submit to drug tests to prove I am taking my meds and not hoarding/selling them. I have a giant stack of paperwork from formal testing I had, which I had to pay for out of pocket because insurance doesn't cover it. It was something like 600-800 dollars. That is enough dammit. I shouldn't have to live in fear that my medication will be taken away or refilled late because I can't even request my refill until the last minute.

[-] vorpuni@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Generic methylphenidate is less than 20€ a month in France counting pharmacist's commission for handing over the box and the manufacturer's profit. Americans are getting scammed. (Oh and most French people would pay at most 2€ for this since the national insurance scheme covers it)

[-] Master@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

I looked at it like marijuana. Government doesnt want you to use it so its hard to get even though it can help with chronic pain and nausea and depression.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly, they don't care if you're a person who needs it, they don't want anyone to use it at all.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

because the non-disabled enjoy taking the pill for fun

How terrible!!!! But what specific horrible drug is this? so many fun illegal ones.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's Adderall.

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