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Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.

The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.

The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.

“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 49 points 2 weeks ago

If this thread is at all representative of how left-leaning Europeans think, then... uh... y'all are fucked. The proto-fascism here can not result in anything else other than Trump/Orban clones taking power all over Europe. I'm not trying to attack you, but You the People need to do something about this before it's too late.

[-] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People should enjoy the last years of democracy and freedom of movement in Europe, because all of that is about to end soon, even more so now with hostile allies like the United States actively financing the fragmentation of the EU.

That's life, it may be a consolation to think that at least we had the opportunity to live for a while in a particularly prosperous, free and peaceful historical anomaly. The next generations probably won't have that luck.

[-] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 43 points 2 weeks ago

The entire world seems to be turning dystopian

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

And as usual, the US dials everything up to 11.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 40 points 2 weeks ago
[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

With the US going full blown fascist, it seems everyone has forgotten that neoliberalism sews the seeds for fascism, and the EU is more neoliberal and oligarchical than it is socialist and egalitarian.

As long as neoliberals and conservatives continue working to enrich the few, while screwing workers and pointing their fingers at immigrants, the EU will continue shifting right until fascism is absolute.

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[-] Markie84@feddit.org 38 points 2 weeks ago

The article is borderline. Because it suggests that the people would ONLY be deported because they protested. But, as it says in the article, they SHOULD be deported because they have committed criminal offences. And criminal offences are not just murders or rapes.

And yes, this is exactly what has been demanded for months: Foreign offenders should be deported more quickly and less ruthlessly. Especially if they come from safe countries. Here, for example, Ireland. The fact that these offences were committed in connection with protests doesn't provide any protection, and I find it extremely sensational to even begin to compare this with what is happening in the USA.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Did you read the same article?

None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.

Each of the four protesters faces separate allegations from the authorities, all of which are sourced from police files and tied to pro-Palestine actions in Berlin.

The only event that tied the four cases together was the allegation that the protesters participated in the university occupation, which involved property damage, and alleged obstruction of an arrest — a so-called de-arrest aimed at blocking a fellow protesters’ detention. None of the protesters are accused of any particular acts of vandalism or the de-arrest at the university. Instead, the deportation order cites the suspicion that they took part in a coordinated group action. (The Free University told The Intercept it had no knowledge of the deportation orders.)

All four are accused, without evidence, of supporting Hamas, a group Germany has designated as a terrorist organization.

All four have, for the meantime, been ordered to leave Germany by April 21, 2025, or face forcible deportation.

[-] Markie84@feddit.org 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, i have:

Under German migration law, authorities don’t need a criminal conviction to issue a deportation order

The only event that tied the four cases together was the allegation that the protesters participated in the university occupation, which involved property damage, and alleged obstruction of an arrest

Some, but not all, of the allegations would correspond to criminal charges in Germany; almost none of them have been brought before a criminal court.

Two, for example, are accused of calling a police officer “fascist” — insulting an officer, which is a crime. Three are accused of demonstrating with groups chanting slogans like “From the river to the sea, Palestine Will be Free” — which was outlawed last year in Germany — and “free Palestine.” Authorities also claim all four shouted antisemitic or anti-Israel slogans, though none are specified.

Two are accused of grabbing an officers’ or another protesters’ arm in an attempt to stop arrests at the train station sit-in.

None of this sounds to me like 4 people who simply took part peacefully in a protest.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The only event that tied the four cases together was the allegation that the protesters participated in the university occupation, which involved property damage, and alleged obstruction of an arrest

I highlighted it already. Not sure why you are trying to quote other paragraphs out of context. Here it is again

None of the protesters are accused of any particular acts of vandalism or the de-arrest at the university

Under German migration law, authorities don’t need a criminal conviction to issue a deportation order

Okay clearly you are not even interested whether the students were guilty. The essense of your argument condenses to

"Yes but unlike in America, in Germany this is legal!"

And I fail to see how it makes it any better that Germany is deporting people demonstrating against genocide, simply because you believe it is legal (which it probably is not according to international human rights laws, which Germany is supposed to follow).

[-] Markie84@feddit.org 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I have inserted the sentence again because you apparently only read the last part and had overlooked the part about the building occupation and damage to property.

Okay clearly you are not even interested whether the students were guilty.

You may be surprised, but** I** don't make the laws.

And I fail to see how it makes it any better that Germany is deporting people demonstrating against genocide

Then you should read the article again. Because almost 50% of the article consists of explaining what these 4 people are accused of and are - apparently - NOT simply protesting.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

None of the protesters are accused of any particular acts of vandalism or the de-arrest at the university

[-] Markie84@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

But enough other things...

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Other people present at the same protest are accused of doing these things. Not these people. Scroll up to the article summary I posted

None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.

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[-] Saleh@feddit.org 18 points 2 weeks ago

The slogan "From the river to the Sea" was "outlawed" by a decree from the interior ministry designating it as a symbol of Hamas. Think of this act like Trump banning DEI. There is no legal consensus on it and various courts have upheld the slogan to be a legitimate expression und the constitutionally protected freedom of speech in Germany.

This is executive order authoritarian style action and entirely different from democratic proceedings, where the parliament passes a law in accordance with the constitution, which then is interpreted by courts and finally enforced by the executive.

Here the legislative and judiciary are cut out.

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[-] amino 14 points 2 weeks ago

you're really putting the fed in feddit huh?

[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 13 points 2 weeks ago

this is exactly what has been demanded for months

Demanded by whom exactly? And if you say SPD, CxU, and FDP, please look a bit deeper where that demand came from originally.

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[-] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

The article is borderline.

Yes, there is a very apparent spin. There is much emphasis on the facts that "almost none" of the allegations have been brought before a criminal court and no-one of them has been convicted, while only a few lines earlier/later also stating that a conviction is not needed for a deportation under German migration law (but it also isn't a free-for-all for the state and that proportionality has to be observed!).

Hence, should the state decide to deport them, this is something they would do instead of charging them before court.

Some of the allegations are minor. Two, for example, are accused of calling a police officer “fascist” — insulting an officer, which is a crime.

Well, calling a member of the German state apparatus a "fascist" is not only - for obvious reasons - a very dumb idea but also something I - and especially them - wouldn't necessarily consider "minor". Also, it is, despite long existing layman's opinions, not a crime to insult an officer, but to insult a person. It is as punishable insulting an officer as anybody else.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Lot of AfD voters in this thread looks like.

[-] variaatio@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago

They should take this to ECJ. If I understand what I read correctly, this is clear treaty violation by Germany. Freedom of movement isn't some "oh we observe it, when we like it" thing. It is treaty bound obligation by member states who have ratified treaties. Take this all the way to ECJ and have it bonk bundestag and chancellery over the head with clown hammer of "it is pretty stupid you think treaty obligations arent legally binding mwmber state".

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[-] duchess@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago

If they really want to deport foreigners they should start with the old-fashioned antisemites that mingle in those protests.

[-] amino 12 points 2 weeks ago

what antisemites? deporting people is a Nazi tactic so it's ironic to label this "combatting antisemitism".

[-] duchess@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not supporting illegal deportation, but I'm also not supporting true "I really just hate jews because they are jews"-antisemites that unfortunately feel right at home in valid protests against Israel's actions.

[-] amino 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

protests are public, those people are gonna show up no matter how progressive the protest.

most antisemites in Germany are pro-Israel, people that go at AfD marches to support their party's line of Zionism by all means necessary in order to bring about the rapture of Jewish people from the Holy Lands.

[-] duchess@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't understand, the rapture of the Jewish people by establishing a Zionist ethno state? I think it's much simpler: The original fascists were antisemites because Jews were the scapegoat that could mobilise the masses due to a hatred for Jews that has been cultivated for centuries in Europe, it was en vogue. The fascist(oid) populists today use Arabs/Muslims (not that the average AfD supporter knows the difference) and therefore show public support with a regime that already shows little mercy for those. And yeah, true neo nazis, islamists and whoever else hate Jews will show up for the protests, and if there really need to be deportations, they should be first.

[-] amino 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

the deportation of anyone, regardless if they're a political enemy or not, is a direct pipeline to normalizing fascism.

this is an article exemplifying how fascism always comes for trans people first and you're here talking bs about islamists. most terrorists in Germany are white Germans.

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[-] rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

that is part of their supposed reasoning. the four are accused of chanting antisemitic things, but they dont tell u what has allegedly been chanted.

either way, deporting EU citizens who havent been committed of any crimes is very legally dubious.

deportations in general if u ask me, are morally dubious.

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[-] kokolowlander@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago

Going to need another source than intercept to believe this story. They have a history of sensationalization or leaving important details out.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

No they do not. The Intercept has been incredibly reliable over the past two years.

[-] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Al Jazeera and FT are reporting on it too. But what’s your issue with the Intercept?

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[-] hamburger@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago

The Intercept is not a trustworthy source for news. What they do is quite simply activism.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

On the contrary. TheIntercept is a very credible news souce.

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