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submitted 1 year ago by snipeftw@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I myself am really on the fence about this.

I hate what Reddit has done, as I was removed as a moderator on my sub. But I much prefer the UI to Lemmy so far. I’m also having a hard time understanding how this all works. I was familiar with Reddit, and it is obviously a way more active community.

But I also used Apollo and hate how they’ve done him so dirty.

Will you guys return if Reddit rights it’s wrongs?

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I don't plan on going back to Reddit in a major way. After giving Reddit up, I find myself thinking over my experience on that site for the last few years. Engaging commentary was harder and harder to find, particularly in any sub of sufficient size, and I spent a lot of my scrolling through Reddit angry. Leaving Reddit has been a wake up call for me. It's a rat race on Reddit, and I don't need that in my life anymore.

sadly... yes. I'm just not finding the community here that I built up there over 11 years. I know, I know, give this 11 years and we'll get there, too... but it's still over there.

I did the whole "delete all comments and posts and replace with the API reasoning text" thing, for my main and my few alts. BUt I find I still am heading over there on browser through old.reddit and lurking.

[-] Kelsenellenelvial@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Same. I might stick around both for a while and see how it goes since I see big benefits and big drawbacks on both platforms. Same idea as why I use Plex instead of Jellyfin in that as much as I want to support open source projects, and am willing to pay a moderate amount to do that, the commercial platforms usually just have a better finish and feature set, as well as a simpler interface for people that don’t live in the tech world.

That said, there’s maybe a dozen subreddits that I really care about, so if those communities came over I’d probably follow. Most of those aren’t populated by the kinds of tech enthusiasts that are looking for an open-source/distributed/etc. model, they’re people that just want to be able to talk about their niche hobbies or connect with others in their industry, regardless of what the back-end looks like. Honestly, I’d even be okay paying a reasonable amount to stick with Reddit(as it was last month, maybe not as it is today), it sounds like they just need to be more open to finding a solution that’s reasonable for the third party app developers instead of just laying down the hammer and them plugging their ears. Problem there though is I suspect the people that I like to engage with on Reddit aren’t the ones making a big impact on Reddit’s revenue. I suspect Reddit can go ahead and lose those high engagement users and still make bank on ad impressions from front-page lurkers, and that’s why they’re not looking to play ball.

[-] ilickfrogs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Up until 3rd party app devs announced they're converting their apps to Lemmy? Yes.

Now, absolutely the fuck not. Reddit is a cesspool compared to when I first joined in 2013. Lemmy feels a lot more like reddit did then. It's quaint and cozy here. Yes I'd like to see this place grow some more. But 1/10th the size of reddit would be plenty. Most reddit users don't contribute anything useful anyways so no loss there.

[-] DrPop@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

The culture is so different. I'm glad Reddit made space for so many different people. But the changes to make it more ad friendly sucks. Also seeing pop culture stuff reach the top regularly is annoying I don't care about celebrities.

[-] downtide@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Only if Spez leaves and is replaced by a decent CEO who reverses EVERYTHING that Spez has effed up in the past few years. I'd return for some small niche communities I participate on that aren't present in the lemmy-verse (yet). But I'd stay here too. I am committed to Federated services now.

[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 4 points 1 year ago

https://static.xtremeownage.com/blog/2023/what-happened-to-reddit/

100% fuck u/spez.

They have messed up pretty badly, and anyone who still trusts them, is wearing a blindfold.

[-] IanM32@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm keeping my account live so that I can still interact and ask questions in threads when I get taken there by search results. Reddit ultimately shows up a lot when looking for solutions to technical problems.

As far as browsing and contributing, I think I'm sticking with Lemmy. Things are just starting to get good.

[-] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Same here with the search results, though I expect that some of those results will become less reliable over time as more people leave Reddit

[-] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Nope, I've already deleted all of my comments and posts on a 10+ year old account. They can go straight to hell. Fuck them.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure. I think I want to stay here.

[-] OverfedRaccoon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Spez is doubling down. He's shown his hand. He's lied. It's like watching Anakin's descent to the dark side. He's too far gone.

I don't really think there is a going back. The watering hole is poisoned. There's no more good faith. And, I think for a lot people, especially people here, it's a matter of principle at this point.

I might check in on certain niche subs that don't move on to other platforms, but the days of gleefully doomsctolling are over.

[-] mintberrycrunch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

IMO the response was even worse than the initial change. That is what put it over for me.

[-] happyhippo@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

Nope, my account is gone and so are my comments.

I'm done with reddit.

Either Lemmy takes off, or I may start reading more in my free time...

[-] Haily@rblind.com 3 points 1 year ago

Nope. Not a chance. I have no love for giant corporations, and Reddit has always been particularly shit even by that standard. Say what you want about the evils of Meta / Google / Apple, ETC ETC ETC, but at least they generally try to keep their users happy, or at least using their platforms. Reddit just seem to have absolutely no idea what their users want half the time, Reddit premium anyone? The way they handled, or rather failed to handle, the accessibility issue also leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth.

[-] megane_kun@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No.

Way too much trust has been lost for me to even consider going back to that place.

Even if they completely remove and ban Steve Huffman and his family, fiends or even acquaintances from any and all company and/or subcontracted positions, completely overhaul all their positions and replace them with trustworthy people (sucks to be them, but they know what they're getting into), add all the requested features overnight including and especially the accessibility features... I still won't consider going back to them.

They will need to exert a huge amount good faith effort over a span of a decade to earn back my trust, if they're at all capable of doing things in good faith.

[-] FreddyNO@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No. Reddit has shown it's not what I signed up for. I learn my lession, goodbye reddit

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago

If RIF survives or returns, then I will probably go back to reddit occasionally. But I haven't missed it since the blackout, so I will probably only use it for a reference and not a community to comment in.

[-] Lanusensei87@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reddit will get increasingly worse the moment they go public, even if they backpeddal on all of the BS (and they did to some extent), I'm already envisioning several Twitter/Twitch/YouTube-like anti-user monetization features that will trickle down one by one over the years. The owners and admins have shown their true colors, there is no undoing that.

If it weren't for how rough (and personally, confusing) Lemmy is right now, I wouldn't even consider going back. But if the growth stalls, and communities remain super small, I might hop back, which is why I haven't deleted my content and account over there yet.

[-] unattributed@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most responses I've seen have centered on spez's actions, but I have a bigger reason for saying no.

Ever since the Conde Nasty days Reddit has gone in a direction that would be abhorrent to Aaron Schwarz. For this who aren't aware, Aaron was one of the original designers and developers of Reddit.

Anyway, I feel that reddit is now something of an insult to Aaron's legacy. Spez has made it worse by pissing on his grave.

[-] kinther@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

At this point, no.

[-] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Lemmy will continue to improve and Reddit will flush itself further down the toilet.

[-] Octospider@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

No. It's a pain in the butt to migrate from Reddit, but it's a blessing in disguise. The decentralized approach is much better and more future proof against bad actors. Having 1 site (or person) holdng all the cards is not something that should appeal to anyone.

[-] keeb420@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

not at this point. spaz has been very stupid in how hes handled this. im not saying i wont go back but itll be a while and take a serious mea culpa.

[-] Bjoern_Tantau@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

No.

There are two medical subs I care about and that have been reluctant to keep protesting or moving people over to Lemmy. For those I will probably compile Infinity with my own API key. But I will unsub from everything else.

[-] InternetUser2012@rammy.site 1 points 1 year ago

I'm done. Way too many bots/trolls.

[-] princessofcute@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Nope, the wells been poisoned. Even if they did a full 180 and Fired Spez for good measure, they've shown their hand. How long before they do it again? Even if all of this was %100 Spezs idea and everyone else in the company opposed it, could we really trust the replacement to never try this or anything similar again? How long before the next CEO decides to try again? What Reddit as a company has proven is that they can't be trusted, and what we as a community have proved with switching over to Kbin and Lemmy is that we don't need Reddit. We can make the same content and have the same or in some cases better communities and the beauty of doing it on a platform like this? A greedy corporation can't destroy it again. Even if a major instance owner goes rogue, we pick up move to another instance and keep going no need to learn a new site no need to rebuild communities. A simple "I'm moving over to this instance!" And that's it

[-] Fangslash@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

i'm interested in a easy to use forum-styled social media, not a site named reddit. Or lemmy for that matters.

Unless reddit changes how they manage the site I see no point going back

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I haven't really left reddit yet but I would probably not leave if they backtracked.

That said, I would still use Lemmy too. Probably more than reddit.

No

There's more to this than the direct changes to their platform:

  • not communicating with mods and users
  • being deadset about a really bad feature
  • doubling down on killing third party development
  • being a real dick about controversies
  • not valuing users for their content
  • not valuing volunteer moderators
  • going after a beloved developer specifically for no other reason than him going public with the situation

There's some things you can't rebuild, and a lot of redditors accept that Reddit is like an abusive spouse and it's time to see other people.

[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Short answer: No

Long answer: Nooooooooooo

[-] xargs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the most degen reason to give, but the likelihood is I would go back. Lemmy is solid though there's a couple of things that make me wonder if it's worth fully commiting.

a) Userbase. If reddit went back, subreddits would likely reopen, change their rules back to how they were before, and therefore the numbers would follow.

b) Centralised. I know this one will piss people off, but the fragmentation of lemmy is a bit too much. I have the option to put all my trust into a single account on one instance and subscribe fedarated if instances support it, or I can create 20 different accounts across different instances.

c) Retention of userstats. While I've not got rediculous amounts of karma like some people do, I have a a little bit, and rebuilding that is a bit ass.

[-] damniel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I agree with most of what you're saying, except for karma. Who gives a fuck

[-] TechnoBabble@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Isn't karma just like an anti-spam mechanism that barely works?

And you get karma just by posting whatever the community wants to hear. So it's not like it shows how enlightened you are or anything.

Anyway, one thing that bothered me about Reddit's karma system, is that people would delete their comments if they got a few downvotes, even if they had something important to say.

Here on Lemmy, you can quickly see both upvotes and downvotes. So if someone says something controversial due to politics or whatever, they're less likely to delete their comment because they can see "ahh, I'm not just being mercilessly attacked, 50 people upvoted me."

That can be abused I guess, but I like that it promotes discussion that isn't just echo-chamber nonsense. We'll just have to see how it works in practice.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

How do you even dowvnote on Lemmy? I don't see an option for it, only on kbin.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Definitely not. Even if I get luke-warm on lemmy, Huffman has shown a complete disregard to the community and has completely pivoted to building the business. As soon as they introduced New reddit and bought AlienBlue, the writing was already on the wall.

I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites. Youtube is the last one (for me) that hasn't burned that bridge, but I'm not a contributor there anyway. For being a link-aggregation website though, I feel like federations are a perfect fit.

I'm old enough now that I can see myself not using social media at all.... Jesus how did I get so old. Time to go buy a Miata and some aviators.

[-] t_378@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not sure if lemmy/the fediverse has the legs to keep the community going indefinitely (i was around when Voat was absorbing the last reddit exodus, i'm hoping lemmy has more legs than that), but I think i'm done with these for-profit social media sites.

What I'm hoping for, is that a portion of people that care and come to Lemmy stick with it, and those people that aren't at all concerned with Reddits's business dealings stick with Reddit. It gives each community a chance to develop it's own voice, which is how it was before the major centralization of the web.

I guess what I'm saying is, even if Lemmy doesn't beat Reddit into the ground, Lemmy can still win in it's own way.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I remember the Voat semi-exodus, but as I recall that was all the communities that got banned. Voat turned into a cesspool real quick

[-] Jojo-Mcfrost572@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Fuck reddit

[-] EthanolParty@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

I hate to be the one to go against the grain here, but yeah I would. I mean, I'd try to continue posting here as much as possible, but there are at least a few communities that I'd probably fall back to Reddit for. Reddit's popularity means there's active discussion on some surprisingly niche topics. Like, there's an active Sumo wrestling sub. There isn't a community here for that, and even if I made one (which I don't want to do because I don't want to moderate) it would just be me screaming into the void.

And I don't think that's going to be a concern anyway. There's no sign they're going to backtrack on anything, in fact they just keep doubling down.

[-] Sirobin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. It would be different if they just killed third party apps (with appropriate notice) and like, I would be upset, since Apollo is genuinely one of the best pieces of software I've ever used, but I would just use old Reddit on my phone like I do with my computer, and it would be fine. But the outright hostility spez has shown for users means I will never post there again, and I'm signed out unless I need to find something on my account. The final straw was spez's response to the blackouts, which I would summarize as "Once they get over their little temper tantrum, they'll come crawling back to us." It was condescending, insulting, and frankly infuriating. He can't even pay lip service to the most dedicated members of the site, so god knows what he's saying in private. Why on earth should we spend any time on a site who's leadership so clearly despises us?

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Hell no.

My issues with Reddit boil down to three: the admins, the mods, and the users. (Note: this is coming from a former Reddit user and mod.) Even if the admins turn 180°, the other two issues remain.

[-] 3melvi@feddit.it 1 points 1 year ago

No, they showed their hand and they will not change their attitude. They got caught in their lies and their malicious intentions. I do not mind them behaving like a business, I mind that they are becoming unethical in the way they are pursuing their goals, because they think we are passive enough that will accept such type of conduct without batting an eyelash.

[-] spark947@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I will probably still use it occasionally, but honestly I'm super excited about federation. I have been interested in it for a while, and have casually switched to mastodon, but I didn't think it was ready yet and that enough people were adopting it to completely replace my reliance on other social media. But now that people are essentially forced to take it seriously, I think it is finally starting to feel populated enough to have a good time.

Mastodon kind of already started to feel great like that, but honestly I never really used twitter that much.

[-] rollingFlint@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, I won't return.

This whole episode taught me the importance of diversifying the online communities/platforms that I use, and how NOT to rely on a single platform controlled by a for-profit entity.

From now on, it's communities based on open platforms first for me, and proprietary ones the distance second and only if I really can't avoid it.

Nope, being an open source and privacy zealot I wanted to switch to Lemmy well before anyone cared about it. But I deleted my account because it had like twenty active people on it at most. Now that it's gaining users I'm definitely staying. I wasn't very active on Reddit for quite a while anyway, discussion grew repetitive.

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