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[-] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

I've been homeless twice. Thankfully I had a car and I could live out of it temporarily while I found some family to save my ass while I got back on my feet.

If I hadn't had family keep me from rock bottom it's hard to say if I would have pulled out of those situations on my own.

Unfortunately for many people they have little to no empathy for homeless because they have been lied to or attacked by homeless and they then view all homeless that way.

I remember once in my teens I skateboarded over to a sandwich place to get lunch for myself and my brother. On the way there I passed a homeless guy with a sign asking for "anything". I decided to get him a sandwich while I was there. Just a basic turkey sandwich or something as plain as I could think of. When I tried to give him the sandwich he threw it back at me and told me I should have just given him the money so he could get drunk.

That experience really tainted my view of the homeless from that day onwards. Then later in life I would have two different girlfriends get grabbed by homeless people over the years.

I have a buddy that lived downtown and the homeless people there were always breaking their windows and stealing their stuff. One of them set fire to the side of their house out of boredom. When the police came they just escorted him to the street and then left. He didn't get tried for arson or anything. The cops don't care. They have no system in place to deal with those people.

Its easy for people to have empathy for a group that they have never interacted with. Anyone who lives near homeless or regularly interacts with homeless people will tell you that not all of them are good people who just got abandoned by society. Some of them are evil bad people who have refused help or just don't want it. Most of them need mental support.

It's a very complicated issue and I dont think it has any easy or cheap solutions.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Same here on a few bad experiences trying to help

  • a guy asked for money to get a meal combo from McDonalds. I bought him the meal combo, so he keyed my car for not giving him cash
  • I suppose I can see this being taken the wrong way, but I tried emptying my pockets a few times, only for them to throw the counts on the ground. After that I started noticing homeless with coins on the ground around them

Realistically, it doesn’t matter anymore since I almost never have cash. They seem to know that world has gone too, as I’m rarely solicited anymore

[-] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah I haven't carried any cash for years and most of the time I offer to buy them food they decline. Once in awhile they take me up on the offer and are thankful but I am still always a little worried they are gonna throw it in my face after that experience I had as a kid.

It's a shit situation all around.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, I try regathering my donations to a non-profit that helps but what little I can give is lost in the mess.

It seems like the best option

  • they provide the most beds of any shelter
  • most meals of any shelter
  • help getting jobs
  • and probably much more

As long as someone is willing to come in and gets there before it fills up ……

[-] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My parents wouldn't even have the fucking space to let me stay.

And then we have people like musk, who grew up with a golden spoon and view those on social security as parasites.

[-] xorollo@leminal.space 4 points 1 day ago

Homelessness is not only living on the street either. There are lots of housing insecurities. Some people may move back in with family but the location isn't safe or welcoming.

I've seen many young mothers face this exact situation, often even when that same family pressured her to carry the pregnancy to term.

[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My mom died when I was 20 and the old man sold the house and took off with anything of value while I was just out of electrical engineering and there was a big economic downturn in the early 90s .. I crashed on people's couches in crack house neighborhoods and sometimes slept under bridges or highway overpasses... Had no car - no job and lucked into a job at Sears selling PC's back when windows 3.11 was king. I earned enough to buy a bike and bike my way to work from wherever I was crashing and bought a damned pink barbie backpack from a tag sale for 2 bucks so I could bring my suit jacket and tie required in those days and I took a damned ribbing until I could get a better situation. People that have a fallback are lucky as hell and should consider themselves so.

[-] Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago

Yep, anyone can be homeless.

If you sell your house and are between houses now, technically you are homeless but you're privileged you can live in a hotel or rent a storage unit and couch surf or if you have a friend or family member to stay with. If you have a job, you can still afford shelter and not lose everything. This was my family when my brother was a baby and we just stay with a friend for 2 months until we moved into our new house. Both of my parents had jobs. We were privileged.

If you're evicted because you lost your job or got sick so you were unable to afford to pay your rent. Not all landlords give you a grace period to get behind in rent when something out of your control happened. These people also lose everything if they had no friends or family to help out. If they live paycheck to paycheck, they couldn't save money. Many Americans are one paycheck away from homelessness. It just means if they get sick or get into an accident or lose their job, they're screwed.

[-] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Forced Homelessness is the policy of many Governments and the DOJ in the United States as a means of punishing those they are after without any due process. Your ability to work or even have ID can be taken from you if they choose to do it. Your money can be taken. Your bank accounts can be frozen.

City, State and Federal Governments have been creating these zones where large numbers of homeless and poor people are forced into with a kind of virtual redlining. Usually, these are downtown areas in major cities, and then the system creates the ability to target them with systemic drug usage, even to the point of the government supplying pipes and needles for people to use. They are given just enough food to stay alive while forced into this position. No employers are going to hire anyone and it isn't like it used to be where someone can just walk into a factory and make enough money in cash to live for a week.

In many ways it is a public execution system that just operates very slowly and you'll only occasionally notice the dead body--- which even are often not recorded as a death correctly, and it's nothing you will see in the obituary sections of your newspapers. Imagine a system that lets tons of your former neighbors die slowly on the street while everyone walks by inside their little tech bubbles of safety, confident in the belief that it could never be them.

At some point, it's really about your view of a human life versus your value of money. At some point along the way, it was decided that the amount of money someone has at that point in time determines their value as a person to even keep existing, or to have basic rights...

If Governments wanted to solve the problem, they could find a building to put people in, they could force drug rehab on some, others probably should be in jail. The ones willing and able to work should be given the opportunity, with a path out of the state imposed public execution systems, and back to a life where they are capable of taking care of themselves.

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago
[-] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

“When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.”

Well said!

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

No one should judge homeless people. It's easy to judge being in a privileged position, but without having experienced bad shit yourself you should just shut the fuck up. Maybe help the less privileged, otherwise you will be judged by my.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I don't think people judge them specifically, around me are a lot of scammers, making it very difficult to know who needs "help"

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, there’s that too. A decade or more ago, our local paper ran an expose on the scammers, but they kept it reasonably constructive, giving equal space to strategies for identifying those in actual need.

For my teens, I kept it simple

  • someone actively soliciting you in a high traffic area is likely a scammer
  • someone sitting quietly, trying to “shrink” away from attention, whether they have their hand out or not, is more likely in need
[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That shouldn't be a reason to ensure more money to go to the ultra rich while making the lives of the poor even more miserable.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But you can't tell if they really need help. Look up the fake violin beggars. It's very similar, panhandle all day, then go home.

What does that have to do with ultra rich?

Who said we're making their lives more miserable?

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

The western world is heading towards the right, destroying social structures in governments. Increasing taxes for the poor, grocery costs, rent and house prices, stripping health care and education systems. While at the same time we ensure the ultra rich get more power and money and can continue not paying any taxes.

But your argument is also wrong. Just because you can't tell who really needs help you don't help anyone? Just because a car can have an accident you don't drive at all? Do you think the street violin players are rich? In my city there's an east European gang dropping off beggers at certain spots, forcing them to beg. It's very clear who's part of this organization and who's a local homeless person. I always give our local homeless money or food. I volunteer at a venue where the homeless can get free coffee or tea and twice a week a free meal. I vote left, I live in a left city and I speak out for social structures and against nazis. Friends who are struggling financially I financially support, like my past holiday to Cambodia, 2 of my friends and I payed for the entire holiday of one of our friend so he could join us. Every bit helps, even the smaller ones.

I'm struggling in life as well, just not financially (PTSD). I get support from friends and the government. It helps me to live from day to day. There are people judging me, telling me "just have a different mindset". These are people who never had a struggle in their life. They are completely lost when they ever hit an obstacle in life, but until then they don't care about others who struggle and they judge them for "not making different choices" etc. "Why don't you get a job and buy a house", while this homeless person lives in a constant psychosis and can't do anything else then play air guitar on the streets. Or because this guy won boxing championships back in the days which got him extreme brain damage, ending his career and putting him on the streets drowning him in alcohol and drugs. These are our most famous homeless persons, who have died in the past 3 years. But everyone has their own story and reasons for why they ended up in the fucked up position no one wants to be in. Even the beggers who are forced to work for this criminal organization. I feel sorry for them, I just don't know how to help them because everything goes to the criminals who control them and keep their passports.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Just because you can't tell who really needs help you don't help anyone?

Please direct me to where I said this.

So people should give up their money to anyone who asks? I'm far from rich, I work hard for the little I have. I'm not giving it away just because someone asks. Charity begins at home. Of course I'd like to help more, there are a lot of things I wish were different, but I'm not compromising my life, financial safety, risking it for a stranger who I know nothing about. I've got people that depend and rely on me.

I've bought food for those that needed it, walked him right to the counter of a local taco place and let him order whatever he wanted. I've given away a duffle bag full of shit I just bought, specifically for a guy standing outside CVS in cold weather. I give away tools and equipment to neighbors that could make their life a little easier, but handing over cash to someone you don't know that could be a scam? Why not just send your money to Indian call centers?

[-] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

For real. And I don’t. I always feel humbled when I see a homeless person because I’m just a hop and a skip away from being in their predicament. All it would take is an unfortunate event or two.

[-] deadsuperhero@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

my view of homeless people changed forever when I learned that more than half of them were foster kids who aged out of the system and were left with no family or resources.

Jesus, that's dark.

[-] Luccus@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

Sure, it may sound bad when children become homeless. But have you ever thought about how much money it saves? Just think of all the good things we can afford with all that money!

Like anti-homeless park benches. Or those little speakers that emit ultra-high-pitched sounds so that young people don't … enjoy … existing somewhere or something, idk.

And just because I'm unable to actually satirize reality at the moment, yes, /s

[-] CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 6 points 1 day ago

Yep... there's also a massive overlap with vulnerable groups like LGBT and disabled

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 2 days ago

Liberals are also to blame for gaslighting and selling workers out to the capital class for 50+ years. The last Democrat President that actually fought for the proletariat was FDR with his New Deal programs.

Yes, liberals were less evil than Republicans, but when Obama tried to give us universal healthcare they stabbed him in the back and when Bernie set multiple grassroot funding records, they conspired against him and stabbed the entire nation in the back. So if we factor in the opportunities for real leftist leadership that liberals stole from us than that opportunity cost is nearly as damaging as what Republicans are doing.

[-] illegible@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

nearly as damaging

really? More BS false equivalence. The liberals where never in control enough to make any of that happen. They may not be perfect by any means but to say they're "nearly as damaging" as the right is just ridiculous.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Convenient that when the GOP has a razor thin edge they get everything they want with almost no issue, but when DNC has a super majority they can barely get watered down health insurance reform.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

That's the difference between ethical governing and the unethical abuse of power.

If you want liberals to "get everything they want", and ignore democracy, they'd have to do it unethically.

Wouldn't it be better if everyone played by the rules, and governed like they are actually working in the best interests of voters?

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

The real problem is most of the DNC don't want the things they say they do to get elected. They get the same conservative money the GOP does to be sure those things don't happen.

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 165 points 2 days ago

fuck.

One in four foster kids will end up homeless.

https://nfyi.org/issues/homelessness/

up to 3 out of 10 homeless people are foster kids who aged out.

what the fuck.

I thought it was bad enough knowing about the veteran rights.

some of the studies show higher rates.

The studies. on the homeless children.

[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 86 points 2 days ago

If you want more statistical horror, look up foster care to prison pipeline

[-] koella@lemm.ee 87 points 2 days ago

So when conservatives want to ban abortions they are basically trying to increase the flow in this pipeline to get more prison slave labor

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Not trying to defend their position but young kids given up for adoption at or near birth are overwhelmingly adopted. There are lines and a whole grey market.

It's kids with shitty parents that get removed after the toddler phase that tend to end up in the system long term.

[-] ReanuKeeves@lemm.ee 39 points 2 days ago

10000% yes. The easiest people to manipulate are the desperate and manipulators love dangling carrots.

What's worse is that this is easily recognizable but nothing will ever be done about the nutjobs who enjoy watching others suffer at their hand.

There is no reason to believe we don't live in hell

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[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Even worse a ward of the state loses ALL benifits permanently if they are convicted of any offense, guess how motivated social workers are to find an excuse? For anyone that's never been through these systems when you spend a lot of time with a social worker, I've never been more clearly threatened more credibily by anyone my entire life. I told one that I needed help with child care and they said ''you don't want to tell ME that, if you're having such a hard time watching your kids, maybe you need them removed by CPS, I can have an office over there before you get home if you'd like, or can you manage without talking to be about it?'' Imagine being 18, right out of foster care, trying to get enployment or training through health and human services, and they know all they have to do is get you on any technicality and case closed. I know they'd get you a job with a van picking you up, and let police have a look at your ID and run it to find any lapse. Had a cop pull over a van with 8 people, never even talked to the driver, just demanded everyone in the van give over ID and, clearly targeting, went right for one guy and ''found out'' he had failed to report the job we all started that day to his case worker who set up the job assignment, and got him charged right there. The business we were hired by was furious, because apparently they've lost vital numbers of workers this way, and the social workers did this fairly regularly, also the amount of times they send you paperwork that gets to you on the 9th, and had to be turned in by the 8th was VERY precise and consistant. The welfare state isn't about helping anyone, it's about reducing the burden on the tax prayer by any means necessary. They do not care about getting you kicked out permanently. They want your case closed.

[-] AlexLost@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago

It's because those orgs have been captured by their enemies, people that don't want to help. They blame the people that need the services as being leeches, but they are the ones getting paid to fail at their jobs. They don't want to see it succeed, they want it to fail so they can say how bad the system is.

[-] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 days ago

In addition to the appalling foster care kid stats for homeless, around 13% of homeless are veterans (obviously some qualify as both). Funny how support for the military dries up once they get discharged.

Then we have the complete lack of any kind of assistance for the mentally ill.

We shouldn't even pretend that we are civilized. We treat our fellow humans so barbarically.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 14 points 2 days ago

Two time boomeranging failson here.

I tried Lord how I tried. I fell flat on my face trying to make it on my own. Actually did wind up homeless for a stint. If I didn't have the option to crawl back home to lick my wounds, I'm not sure I would have made it.

[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

When I see things like this it makes me so proud of my parents. They are the few people I know who do foster care because they care. They have actual love for every kid that ever walked through their doors. They have had so far 3 kids that moved back home at one point or another and for all 3 of them the only question They ever asked was "how soon do you want to move in?"

At the same time stuff like this hurts me because I always thought unconditional love was the standard growing up. The knowledge that most people didn't / don't have that is so sad.

Anyway on a side note I am going to call my folks and tell them how great they are.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

FYi readers, I don't know the actual statistics on foster children who grow out of the system and how prevalent that is in the homeless population, but from what I know at least, particularly in my own time homeless, is that most homeless people are actually small families who live in their car or in someone's garage.

I think we need to do a lot better to show what poverty really looks like in the USA, because we picture the media-spun image of America that we have a huge middle-class in nice suburban homes, and then there's the "the poors" who are like, generic homeless dudes who are grizzled old bums warming their fingerless-gloved hands over a burning metal drum down in skid-row.

The reality of the distribution is the "middle class" in America is much, much smaller and more poor than most people realize. Most people who seem to "have it all" are in immense debt, and the larger percentage of families in the US are working poor, people who live in shared homes and apartments with too many other people, people who live in their car and go to work and school every day, people who live in motels and abandoned homes or who "Stay after work" to take advantage of the company showers before sleeping under the desk. These are not jokes or tropes or memes, this is really how many, many Americans live... in the wealthiest country in the world.

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[-] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago

I've been a homeless teen, thankfully it was over a decade now though.

Shit sucked. I get angry when I hear people make excuses about how homeless people are just lazy or trying to rip you off somehow. Like stfu you have no idea what it's like!

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 64 points 2 days ago

While this is accurate, most people have a better chance of actually understanding it when you use the full quote.

We live in a world where people have to be convinced to care for and sympathize with those around them.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago
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[-] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The reality if you're working class in America; we're all one really bad day and a few less people caring about us from being homeless.

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

This right here is my biggest fear for my daughter.

She’s lazy. She’s unfocused. She’s isolated.

She is one of the greatest artists I have ever encountered in my life. Bad shit seems to come with that. I am afraid that the world will never know it because she isolates almost completely.

Her mother died from breast cancer when she was 13. I have been so unkind to my body and I’m afraid I won’t be here long enough to help her the way she might end up needing it.

She has her step dad who has remained a big part of her life since her mom passed away. He’s a great man and she and her mother were very lucky that he’s the one she found. She can’t get along with any of her mom’s family. I believe that my wife would always look out for her, but I wish they’d get closer. Her mom made that hard by saying only days before she died, “If you replace me with that woman I will spend eternity rolling in my grave.”

I have survived in this world because of my mother and my uncle. Without them I would have been homeless over and over again. I wish she would get closer with her mom’s family. I can’t make her stay with them though. Her aunt takes her to school if she misses the bus, so maybe she’ll look out for her.

It keeps me awake at night more than anything else.

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[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Recently found a pretty interesting video about China and how they combat homelessness (sorry on reddit). You can buy a 1 room apartment for $15.000 and the monthly costs are minimal. Of course I don't truly know if there really isn't any homelessness in China, but we absolutely have the technology to solve this problem lol

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's probably mostly accurate, most other developed nations DO prioritize housing and caring for their homeless because it just makes sense that if you don't want decay in your population, you do SOMETHING to take care of them.

Now that said, I am far more concerned/curious how China is handling one of the leading causes of homelessness which is mental and physical health problems, and how much access the average person starting to slip through the cracks can get to proper healthcare.

I am not well versed on China's healthcare situation though, and it's been almost 17 years since I've been there last, when I was there people seemed kind of... miserable. Overworked, unable to afford more than the most basic amenities and living conditions. At least the working-class drivers and clerks. Honestly, China 17 years ago feels a lot like many places in the US right now.

[-] Padit@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago

Well, for 2022 I found that the average wage is 2600¥ or 330€ per month (with enormous differencs between the regions). That means a flat is 4 annual salaries on average, assuming ithe 15000$ or 14000€. That's not that much off a difference to Germany, where I am from.

So one could argue that this is just the advise "get a job and buy a house!!!" To a homeless person.

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