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submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Neighborhoods with more trees and green space stay cooler, while those coated with layers of asphalt swelter. Lower-income neighborhoods tend to be hottest, a city report found, and they have the least tree canopy.

The same is true in cities across the country, where poor and minority neighborhoods disproportionately suffer the consequences of rising temperatures. Research shows the temperatures in a single city, from Portland, Oregon, to Baltimore, can vary by up to 20 degrees. For a resident in a leafy suburb, a steamy summer day may feel uncomfortable. But for their friend a few neighborhoods over, it’s more than uncomfortable — it’s dangerous.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

Trees are a good thing? Who knew?

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago

Here’s a study from 2019 quantifying the superiority of trees over artificial shade structures: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1618866718304291

Tl;dr is that tree shade is 2-5° C cooler than artificial shade. Time to start lobbying city councils to plant trees all over and ideally include fruit trees for some urban edible forest action.

[-] schroedingershat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Wouldn't it depend on the artificial structure and how much water you are adding?

Like a piece of foam painted with pure white IR-emissive CaCO2 is going to be >10 degrees cooler than a black panel with an air gap and glass.

There are likely tradeoffs (water and cost for the tree being the main downside).

Personally I think both is good https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/08/25/sunagri-reveals-agrivoltaics-performance-in-heat-waves/

Less water, more elecricity and cooler temps than either alone.

[-] demlet@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not like they've been part of the ecosystem for ~~billions~~ hundreds of millions of years or anything.

[-] TitanLaGrange@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

More like 375 million years, about the middle Devonian period.

Tangentally: for millions of years after plants started using lignin as a structural material the decomposers couldn't break it down very effectively, so for like 60 million years lots of that tough plant material stacked up into deep layers and eventually turned into coal.

[-] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago
[-] schroedingershat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

But car drivers crash into them and hurt themselves sometimes or birds perch and poop on cars. Not worth having trees /s

[-] SymphonicResonance@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

If you live some place in a drought, water is an issue when planting new trees.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

Build covers with solar panels on their roofs. Provide shade and generate money in the long run. Most brick-and-mortar shoppers would be more attracted to covered parking, too.

It blows my mind that an article about shade deserts doesn't mention covering with solar collection systems. We all should expect anything intended to take sunlight should be a photovoltaic surface.

[-] Toast@lemmy.film 41 points 1 year ago

An increase in the number of solar cells in an area can be useful, but shade cover from trees would have a greater cooling effect on most areas. Trees both shade and provide transpiration cooling. The water evaporating from leaves cools the surrounding air as the water goes from a liquid to gas phase.

[-] SkyeStarfall 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And just like solar panels, trees harvest a part of the energy in sunlight, giving additional cooling to just a shade. And trees are cheaper to set up, even if they may not provide a return on electricity.

Ideally you would have trees on the ground and solar panels on the roofs, to further increase cooling.

[-] Cheers@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

I really hope Biden pushes something next term that allows promotes solar like the current ev push.

Even better, ban HoAs from banning solar. Fuck that noise.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Trees should be the first priority, with solar cell shade a distant second. Trees only need water and minor maintenance, are far cooler to be under than a simple shade barrier, provide a lot of benefits like wind breaking and homes for nature to live in that are better for people than artificial structures.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 year ago

Not a bad idea per se but it’s a very expensive solution. We probably won’t be able build enough panels for all of the shade we’ll need for future heat.

Trees are usually the best and easiest solution in most areas, but many municipalities including Tampa don’t take them very seriously. They need space for roots if they’re to provide adequate shade in urban areas.

[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

Most brick-and-mortar shoppers

This whole article is about residential areas, not commercial / retail ones.

We all should expect anything intended to take sunlight should be a photovoltaic surface.

How do you manage that in neighborhood with preexisting homes?

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[-] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

To what? Homes? Sure, but who is paying for it? Otherwise what do you suggest, erecting covered parking spots over the tops of people's yards or driveways?

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can get subsidies to add on. And after they're installed, they save on energy costs, eventually paying for themselves.

Also, yes to driveways.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Carports have been a thing since they were called something else when used by horse and buggy.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My wording was hasty. I only envision that new structures should be expected to come with solar tiles or panels. Like, you spent half a mil on a new house, do an extra 10-20k to have a useful roof instead of a ridiculous summer passive heater.

And yes, you're right, trees should be #1, and the main point of the article was really the disappearance of green spaces and coverage. This brief spot is what was on my mind in my take on it:

Quicker actions could include erecting better shade structures at bus stops or implementing rules for construction to encourage the use of materials that generate less heat in the sun. For example, some cities in the Northeast — including Philadelphia and New York — provide financial incentives for “green roofs,” in which the top of a building is covered with plants.

So I guess I had an "old man yells at clouds" moment.

[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why city planners love barren plains of asphalt. Throw some greenery in there. Parking lots are so depressing.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every parking lot in the world should be covered in solar for charging. Break it up with large trees too.

They're already ugly. Make them useful.

We should be making them irrelevant. fuckcars

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

unfortunately there are lots of places where you can't run light rail and busses efficiently - places like montana or utah, the population isn't dense enough. certainly agree wherever possible tho, tired of living in this autotopia shithole

[-] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I was rock climbing yesterday on a rockface getting pounded by the sun on a 90° day the entire day I felt sick, tired, and drank a shitton of water and it was not enough. People should value the shade.

Gotta keep your electrolytes up too. I learned that one the hard way. You don't need to do that in an office, you do when its 110 degrees in the shade and doing physical activities.

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