I'll be strategically voting liberal this time because of the MAGA traitor PP. He would sell Canada in a heartbeat to Trump's regime.
Once Milhouse is dealt with I will not be voting liberal ever again. Not that my vote matters really. My riding is 100% liberal.
I really don't give a shit how unpopular Jagmeet is. I am a socialist. I don't like the liberals. They're centrists. I will vote for the centrist to keep fascism at bay.
Thank you for voting strategically. It would be great to see people wake the fuck up and see the NDP become the official opposition. The conservatives should be banished to the basement of parliament
I guarantee that when the next election rolls around, you'll once again be voting liberal to keep fascism at bay.
Just as the system intends. We need electoral reform as part of the solution out of this cycle. Our politics often mirror some of the USA (2 party system, right vs left, candidates spend most of their time bad mouthing each other, no follow through on election promises) , given their current state, we should be doing everything we can to distance ourselves and our systems from theirs.
I'm pretty much in the same boat but luckily my riding is a safe NDP vote so I don't have to worry about being strategic.
I am obviously hoping for Carney this time around though. I'd vote for an (evil even) inanimate carbon rod over PP. Hopefully the NDP can choose a new leader and really take off next election
If you’re voting strategically ABC, make sure that the Liberals actually have the strongest contender in your riding based on the polls.
There are a lot of NDP / Conservative battleground ridings that the Liberals will never pick up.
Just gonna drop this here
I don’t trust most of these websites to give an objective answer for most people’s ridings. Better to spend a bit more time and look at the poll data and riding’s history yourself.
This right here
This!! don't just blindly vote Lib, some riding lib doesn't stand a chance.
The Cons have lied through their teeth for decades, but specifically since Mulroney. He followed Reagan around like a lapdog and did his bidding. NAFTA never should have been signed.
I’m feeling conflicted this year. I’ve been an NDP voter since as long as I was old enough to vote. This year I’m leaning Liberal.
My riding is polling strong red so while it doesn’t make a statistical difference I want to show the NDP that I’m not confident in their leadership or partisanship. I love their policies but it’s time for Jagmeet and similar ineffective MPs to make way for stronger leaders.
Yeah, the NDP kind of need to get crushed in this election so we can clear out the dead wood. We need a reborn and revitalized NDP to meet the current moment.
I kind of agree, but there's a substantial chance the NDP will insist on misinterpreting the results as meaning they should pull even farther to the relative center, even though it's their base they are losing.
On the other hand, the NDP implosion in NB opened the window for a stronger Green party with no more splitting of left-leaning votes. That party now more effectively represents both environmental concerns and labor. So far, that's seeming like a pretty harmonious pairing of interests, with a largely shared base.
I'm good with the NDP either shaping up or getting out of the way.
Look, I wish I could give you an ironclad guarantee of how things will shake out, but that ain't how this shit works.
The NDP as they are now are incapable of rising to this moment. They need to be replaced by something that is. Maybe that works out, maybe it doesn't. Playing it safe has gotten us fucking nowhere. I'd rather take the swing.
Yeah, I think I've already talked myself out of worrying where the NDP goes next anyway. I hate how things went with the federal Greens but at this point they've still got as much shot at representing the left as the NDP.
I'm smelling a theme in leftist parties, where good leaders seem disproportionately difficult to replace.
I voted for NDP. My province voted for Conservative, so we are getting Dougie Ford in ON, again. :/
That's pretty much where I'm at as well. My riding is currently blue, and every piece of mass-mail propaganda I've gotten from the current MP has used a lot of words to say an awful lot of nothing.
I've generally voted NDP, but they need to make some leadership changes. I don't believe that the current NDP leadership would be effective in handling the overgrown toddler running the show in the US, and PP would hand us to him on a silver platter. I don't actively dislike Carney so far, so at least that's something.
There might be a ghost of a chance that the Liberals win in my riding so I'm going to go for them.
Yeah same boat here.
I agree liberals dont make tha same mistake as your american equivalents. Make sure your candidates running actually gives people reasons to vote for your candidate.
Dont think you can just goose step to the party line of no change for the working class. Dont try to deny and support a genocide. Dont think the other candidate sucking is sufficient for you to brow beat people to vote for your candidate.
If there's a group asking for a change that you might not technically agree with but doesnt harm people do it anyways
It's so obvious that Canada and the liberal party isn't supportive of Israel doing what they're doing.... Wtf are you talking about?
Don't be that left leaning douche bag that thinks that unless everything is done perfectly to a tee with what YOU want to see, that it isn't worth voting for. The NDP has great ideas and we owe them for pushing the liberals to get dental care and pharma care done ... But Jesus Christ the foreign interference is strong with you
lol yes being an asshole definitely is going to win you votes. lol you idiots never learn jesus.
imagine thinking that politicians should serve their constituents interests in order to ensure people are willing to vote for them is 'foreign interference'. lolol
You're talking about a foreign issue that is not Canada's number one pressing issue at the moment. Conflating it with the liberals who have the best chance at defeating the conservatives who will sell out our country, to the USA, who is also currently aiding the genocide and horror happening in Gaza and Israel right now...
Like how well did it turn out for the NoT VoTinG KaMalA crowd because they thought she would be terrible for Palestine? Don't be dumb.
I know. I know Americans who were like “I’m not voting for Kamala because of Genocide Joe in fact I won’t vote at all” and then Trunp 2.0 gets in. How’s that going for you Amerikkka???
I'm not conflating anything, I'm telling you to stop worrying about the candidate you dont like and demand your preferred candidate make a case on why they are worth putting the effort on showing up for to people who dont give a shit about politics. my examples were of what not to fucking do, and you immediately start doing a few of them. good job.
the US liberals (harris/biden/pelosi/schumer,etc) and those like them (you) think you can brow beat people into compliance by fear of conservatives and that doesnt work. all it does it cause people to tune you out and then ignore the election entirely.
Why are you trying to conflate Canadian Liberals and the Democrats? They aren't remotely the same party, the systems of government don't look anything alike and they aren't in cahoots.
And the Canadian Conservatives are fronting a guy who has stated his support of American style "Right to Work" legislation and other Americanizing government initiatives who went into politics immediately from going to school for international affairs against a guy who has spent years as Governor of two National Central Banks and created a number of international contacts across the Commonwealth in the international financial sector that can be leveraged and yet Conservatives are trying to paint themselves as "better for the economy". Pollievre has been utilizing anti gay anti queer dogwhistles in his rhetoric for the past ever as well. Fuck Right to Work bullshit and fuck anybody who wants to roll back civil protections. There's not a lot of places in the world as safe as Canada for queer people to exist so it's not like there's much better places to escape once the fortress falls.
The CPC and UCP are pretty awful for sure. But as this thread demonstrates, conservatives do not have a monopoly on bad takes, divisive rhetoric, unnecessary hostility, and self-defeating attitudes.
And the parallels between Democrats and LPC are significant. Both have an establishment that isn't genuinely interested in tackling certain problems or backing away from a still generally pro-business bias. Aside from some key fundamentals we can credit for upholding this difference, many of the practical differences between Canada and the U.S. are more in degree than nature -- i.e. money in politics, corporate welfare, influence of traditional energy, (mostly provincial) industrial barons, etc.
Admittedly the Liberals are not my party of choice but there still is validity for voting for the lesser of two bad options. Until we can address the first past the post system we are beholden to voting more against than for a given regime by reaching a sort of mutual concensus with our neighbours before we hit the polls. That representive voting system needs to happen elsewise we're stuck playing this dumb game.
But it's hard to compare even this party I am not terribly enthusiastic to to the Democrats when there's at least mediocre commitments to a number of decent causes toward reconciliation, reasonable commitment to the Kyoto climate accord targets, stated support of LGBTQIA+ causes and at least a lukewarm support of Palistine mostly expressed through refugee programs and a spineless condemnation of the atrocities and a recognition of two state authorities in the region. There's also a much more robust court culture and a wider swath of people in the party who at least demonstrate a desire for a properly pluralistic, secular society.
It's more useful to veiw the parties based on how they talk within their own parties because it's not a presidential situation. There's less unilateral moves to be made as a PM without party support is a lame horse. While I wish we would see wider endorsement of the NDP it's not traditionally a popular party in the field and there's way more swing between Libs and Conservatives.
The Liberals are trying their best to find a tasty middle ground for the "fiscal Conservative voter" to bite because strategy reasons. They put forward a candidate who is Albertan, Catholic, an outsider to politics with a lot of financial sector ties who pulls quotes from the era of the Quiet revolution and balancing government budgets for the discerning blue voter while the more leftist ones can chew on his ringing of alarm bells of wealth inequality, climate change and the lack of application of morals in the markets. He's been largely silent on 2SLGBTQIA+ issues which while always a little unsettling the previous admin left on a very openly queer friendly stance so while again, not ideal, all that currently is needed at present is just not undoing what's been done and supporting the stuff already in progress.
Is he everything we've dreamed? Not really. But it shows they are trying to build out a solid concensus candidate that a broad range of people can stomach.
I would consider the various issues you describe are as fair examples of what I described: difference in magnitude rather than kind. The Democrats pay many of those same values lip service -- or at least did, before thinking this time maybe their problem is the lip service rather than miniscule action. In no way do I mean to imply that those differences in magnitude are marginal. By magnitude I mean you could relatively score them by moving decimal points.
But I want to conclude with what I think is my most important point/position. I'm fully on board the LPC train this round. Electoral reform is my longstanding top issue, but the disaster down south and the clear path Canada has through it easily displace that (for now). Heck, the CPC threat had me struggling with my vow to never vote LPC under Trudeau until someone delivered electoral reform. If a Carney-led LPC gave us proper electoral reform, I could end up considering LPC a very long-term top option rather than strategic defense. But considering the dangerous optics of repeating Trudeau's broken promise, I don't even want it mentioned right now.
Right now its 💯 elbows up.
Yeah good job showing kamala she was wrong. Working real good. She definitely knows she lost.
laugh she won in my state silly. she lost because she didnt give people a reason to show up for her. recognizing and acknowledging that someone is a shit person and thats why they lost lets you address the problems I mentioned above.
but yes keep burying your head in the sand. the DNC is likely to lose the next election too unless they learn to give their base what they want.
What next election?
she didnt give people a reason to show up for her.
Her opponent was Donald Trump. That's it. That's the reason.
If it was Kamala Harris vs Nikki Haley I'd get it. But this wasn't establishment Democrat vs establishment Republican. It was establishment Democrat vs actual fascism.
Her opponent was Donald Trump. That’s it. That’s the reason.
JFC, no, no it isn't. This is exactly the point I'm making, this is exactly the reason kamala lost. The majority of the population doesn't give a shit about politics and is uninformed and they dont bother understanding the political landscape.
If you run a campaign on 'im not them' and 'i wont fix any of the things that are negatively impacting your life' you will lose. Never mind demonstrating that you're willing to fucking murder an entire people.
Why? because people are going to say 'well both candidate suck, not going to bother with either'
Then you have the other candidate claiming to they'll fix the price of eggs (even if they wont) and at least they're addressing issues impacting you.
Facts:
Running around saying 'i'm not my opponent, and I will do nothing to help you but i'll do this other thing that costs corporate american nothing and impacts maybe 2 million people' is a fucking recipe for disaster.
This is why kamala was missing 20 million votes. not because she was black, not because she was female, but because she offered nothing for people to show up to vote for her and the democrats despite massive systemetic problems our country is currently facing. When your major policy announcement is lol weed something the majority of the country already has easy access too people will just yawn and stay home.
If you're Canadian reading this thread: Do. not. be. this. person. demand your candidates improve your lives. do not think that simply not being the other person will win.
I 100% agree with you. What a lot of Kamala voters don't realize is that there were a lot of people who WANTED to vote for Trump. They weren't voting for Trump because he wasn't Kamala, they were actually motivated to get out and vote for their guy. Kamala didn't even try anything to get people to come vote for her other than, "I'm not Trump." Learn a goddamn lesson Democrats.
JFC, no, no it isn’t. This is exactly the point I’m making, this is exactly the reason kamala lost. The majority of the population doesn’t give a shit about politics and is uninformed and they dont bother understanding the political landscape.
In that case, it didn't matter who the Democratic nominee was, Trump would have won.
If "being a literal fascist" isn't enough to motivate someone to vote for the only other candidate, then it doesn't matter who this other candidate actually was. Trump would still be the victor.
Vote, bring your friends to vote, post about voting and encourage everyone to fucking vote.
Vote conservative; vote Liberal.
I'm sorry but the liberals are pretty clear that healthcare should be public....and free at use.
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