cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23485321
The left will feed a thousand people, in fear that one may starve. The right will starve a thousand people, in fear that one is undeserving.
Or brown.
“Undeserving” covers that, unfortunately.
Ugh…
Yes, kind of. Problem is that from the right-wing pov “undeserving” is a euphemism, almost a dog-whistle for “brown” or in reality closer to “low on their made-up hierarchy”
Right-wing POV: Why are they undeserving? Because they’re not white. Why do we feel that non-whites are undeserving? Racism. Why do we care about who deserves what? Hierarchy/“god’s plan” which put us on top and them on the bottom.
You start out in 1954 by saying, “removed, removed, removed.” By 1968 you can’t say “removed”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “removed, removed.”
This is far more realistic than op
No, the right just stop giving free food to people and the ones that starve are undeserving.
Watching centrists talk to the far right like they're some sort of sensible:
meirl talking to some dude just the other day who was complaining because i was talking mean about trump voters, "just help people to be a better person" etc., but wouldn't give concrete examples of how to do that with people whose literal goal is to be as shitty as possible
I myself become a hard core social liberal, but can get along with social democrats, classic liberals and conservatives, other than that steer clear
Bless.
The extreme left wants state managed fascism to the benefit of in groups, and the extreme right wants wealth managed fascism to the benefit of in groups. We're just so used to choosing between the mild right and the extreme right that we've begun to confuse the mild left - the political group who wants to meet everyone's basic needs - for the extreme.
I'm tired of seeing run-of-the-mill social democracy paraded around as "the far left."
@FenrirIII
That's more like "center left".
At least some definition of "Far Left" would be more: "we're gonna get everyone's basic needs meet by exterminating entire social groups because they're impure". It's not the only one, but it's the one that "centrists" would say it's no different from the "far right".
At least some definition of "Far Left" would be more: "we're gonna get everyone's basic needs meet by exterminating entire social groups because they're impure".
What the hell are you talking about? "Exterminatidg entrire social groups because they're impure" sounds very right-wing to me.
Are you trying to peddle some weird horseshoe bullshit?
people will refer to landlords as a 'social group' rather than advocate for anything non-milquetoast its par for the course
Change "impure" for "bourgeoisie", "imperialistic", "exploitative", or some other arbitrary bs
Yeah, you're still talking no sense. What do you mean by "social group"?
Get your strawman out of here.
I didn't think voters had access to "exterminate the rich" type representatives though. I can vote for neoliberal with a dash of mildly left (the Radical Left™)... or GOP which are actually far right.
Tax the rich, restructure police, equality at a snail's pace. That's the far left in reality for voters. Centrists really are bastards.
@mhague
The problem with the US political system is that it's so far skewed to the right that the moderate right Democrats are called "far left", and by hearing "far left" people will associate it with Stalin and Mao...
Wish it was this mild. Centrists are more like "Hmm, how can I get the votes of the bigot? A riddle for the ages." And "Why can't those assholes complaining about affording healthcare shut the fuck up, they're breaking my concentration on how to win over the bigots".
Centrists hate the left but will take their vote. They are horny for the right and will abandon any left principle of it'll get their vote.
Hence Kamala running a Republican campaign.
Much more like we would love to help with these leftist plans, but when the people asking for them storm off in a huff if they don't get promised a day 1 soviet utopia they're seen as entirely unreliable. When the 'left' run off because 'you blue maga are no better than fascists' how is anyone meant to even try and help them?
So better to go court the racists right? Because the plan of setting up concentration camps is so concrete and easy to achieve.
But now, let's just talk about how disingenuous this argument is. Most leftists aren't asking for the world and most of the the leftist demands can boil down to "Give use social programs, pay for it by taxing rich assholes". Most leftists aren't asking for a communist utopia and plenty of leftists are also anarchists.
Yet all we hear from centrists is "Oh, it's just so pie in the sky, It'll never work. We couldn't begin to work on this!" All because they don't even want to acknowledge "tax the rich" or "expand workers rights" for fear they'll scare off a donor or two.
I would accept pretty much ANY social program being pushed by dems paid by taxes. One that is absurdly popular is single payer healthcare and it's real easy to achieve because we already have these programs in the form of medicaid and medicare. Making the program literally is just expanding the programs to everyone. You could even phase it in over years, much like SS is slowly being phased out.
Yeah allowing even a single Palestinian speaker at the DNC, with vetted speech, and a promised endorsement of Kamala is really a lot to ask, what were those tankies thinking? Even the smallest step in the direction workers rights or not doing genocide was one too many for the Kamala campaign. The democrats rightly lost by pandering to billionaires and oligarchs rather than courting voters.
No no, they pretend (even to themselves, I think) that they can't tell them apart, but they can and like what they see from the right more. They deny it because it's not politically/socially expedient, but this is why when push comes to shove they invariably fall in with the right.
This is a bad meme and is actually toxic. It’s far from being logical. If you just add another line to explain what they mean by that, there wouldn’t be a center or far right confusion. If you want to continue this joke, go deeper. Logical jokes sting harder.
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