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What are some slow acting poisons? (self.nostupidquestions)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by hungryphrog to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

And before anyone makes a cheeky "what do you need this for 🤨" comment, I'm a writer. I'm not going to murder anyone I promise, I just want to write a scene where one guy gets poisoned.

I need something that doesn't require modern technology to extract/produce, and would make sense to be avaible in a place with a temperate to mediterranean climate. The slower, the better. Does a plant or something like that exist or do I need to make one up?

Update: I looked into death cap mushrooms and they might be just what I'm looking for! Long reaction time, and being dried doesn't make them less toxic! (the scene takes place in midwinter so no fresh ones would be avaible) If anyone has more info on them, please do share.

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[-] philpo@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

You could go for Paracetamol/Acetaminophen. The lethal dose is quite low and in theory low enough someone could poison someone else with it. And once symptoms set in people's livers are often beyond rescue and they die a very gruesome death unless we find a transplant organ in time.(And even then survival is not guaranteed)

And it's relatively save to use in writing as it is coated/mixed with enough bittering agent these days that it actually wouldn't work that well to secretly posing someone.

If you need something with a shorter timeframe Methanol is an option.

And of course there's always Dihydrogen monoxide-everyone who has even had one drop of it will die eventually but the time range depends on the dose. With very high doses people die in minutes,with medium doses (this is actually sometimes used by inmates to kill themselves) they die within a day, with lower dose after decades, but some die mere days after they ingested the mere last drop of it. Nasty stuff and very available.

[-] hungryphrog 1 points 19 hours ago

I've now written the scene with death cap mushrooms, but I'll keep this in mind if I decide to change it later. Ty!

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 107 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In almost every case in fictional writing it's better to make up a poison then use a real one. That way you don't have someone picking it apart later. Also you can give it whatever properties you want/need. Now excuse me while I continue to work on my immunity to iocane powder.

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 52 points 1 week ago

They're gonna pick it apart anyway. A reader criticized the historical accuracy of a fantasy novel my sister wrote.

[-] hungryphrog 19 points 1 week ago

H-how does one even criticise something like that? Like, "you got this and that wrong about the world you made up"?

[-] monarch@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have read some novels where their history straight up breaks if you think about it for too long. Not saying this happened in this case but I read a fantasy novel that had a history that implied that people existed in the wrong times. Like this person was said to have died in X year yet someone met someone who was born in X+100 years.

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[-] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, best just to ignore pedantry, it’s a mental illness.

[-] Gloomy@mander.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

Mental illnesses are very clearly defined, for example in the ICD-10 puplished by the WHO. Pedantry is defnetly not listed in there.

And yes, this was an attempt of humour.

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

I knew a guy I was working summers with in college. Said he did not like roger rabbit because it was unrealistic.

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago

Alcohol. Sometimes it takes 30 or 40 years to be effective. Not very good for murder, but wildly popular for suicide.

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[-] casualfribsday@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I’m neither a writer nor a scientist, but there’s a copy of this on my bookshelf and I wish I could lend it to you: Deadly Doses: The Writer’s Guide to Poisons

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

I'm a writer

"A writer" 😉

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

hey guys, i am looking to write an obituary for my ex husband....

[-] hungryphrog 15 points 1 week ago
[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Theoretically speaking... Do you need an alibi as well? Just for the book of course.

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[-] bluGill@fedia.io 23 points 1 week ago

As a writter you should get enough details wrong that someone trying to follow your recipie fails. Ideally they are also caught.

[-] hungryphrog 37 points 1 week ago

That'd require someone to actually read my stuff.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

See people? I told you that everyone on lemmy is one person! But noooo!

Here's the proof. I can't even buy readers. This has to be me.

[-] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 22 points 1 week ago

What do you mean by slow? Time till symptoms? time till death? Hours? Days? Weeks?

Raw castor beans contain ricin its a cool looking plant that gets big. My neighbor grew on once accidentally.

symptoms commonly begin within two to four hours, but may be delayed by up to 36 hours.

Unless treated, death can be expected to occur within 3–5 days; however, in most cases a full recovery can be made.

Actually a lot of beans are toxic when raw, but not deadly. Raw lima beans are special though; they contain something that the human body breaks down into cyanide. No clue how long that takes or how many it would take to cause harm.

Heavy metals (mercury, arsenic, cadmium, lead) are known for building up over time with many exposures. Think mad hatter syndrome, etc. but exposures can also be acute if high enough. IIRC acute arsenic poisoning makes you vomit and diarrhea until you die of dehydration after days or weeks.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mushrooms are a good option, and you can just make up a species if you want specific time frames/symptoms. Mushrooms can cause a lot of weird symptoms.

There's also a brain eating amoeba or other sickness from still water (people back in the day were very aware of tainted water).

If you have access to polar animals, a unique poisoning would be vitamin A toxicity from their livers. It's a horrific way to die, though (skin sloughing off).

[-] BlushedPotatoPlayers@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

Was going to say that. They to go through the digestive track, so it needs a day or so to work. The toxin of amanita is heat resistant so you can make a stew of it, and when the first symptoms show up your liver is probably already beyond repair. If you want it to be more interesting, there are some species that are poisonous only with alcohol, like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprinopsis_atramentaria , although the symptoms are less severe as in death cap, but maybe it's not unimaginable to give a hearty stew a day before a known heavyweight drinking run to kill the dude(ette).

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Yeah, in a historic setting, use something readers will recognize, as well. Arsenic, Mercury, that kind of thing. They've been used as a poison, and have accidentally poisoned, for so long that they're tropes of their own. Both of those in specific were available in the region you're using.

Plus, they're going to be really easy to describe the actions of, and don't require medical knowledge to understand the effects of. Well, the stuff that's going to be useful to show on page anyway, the stuff that happens inside organs might take a little.

[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

how slow acting? As in months, or as in time to get the fuck outta dodge?

Ricin will kill you in a couple of days, was first extracted in 1888, and the plant grows in the mediterranean.

[-] hungryphrog 10 points 1 week ago

Like takes at least a day or more for the poisoned character to notice.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_phalloides

you also get points for historical accuracy, as it was used as far back as ancient rome

also, how low tech is low tech? Litvinenko was dying for three weeks after polonium poisoning, and radium will have similar effects, first extracted 1898

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[-] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Depending on your setting and desired outcome for the poisoner, uraninite (aka pitchblende) might be an option. It has historical uses in glass making and pottery glazing, which could provide justification for why someone would have it.

It contains Uranium, which is radioactive, but I don't believe will bioaccumulate, but can build up on surfaces, tools, and clothing providing a source of long-term radiation exposure. In addition, it contains lead, which does bioaccumulate, providing a source of gradual long term poisoning as well as radium which also bioaccumulates and is radioactive, providing an additional source of longterm radiation exposure.

[-] sem 14 points 1 week ago

I've heard something about writers writing about guns -- if you describe a specific gun they'll come at you for being wrong, but if you say something like "a modified Kalashnikov" you're conveying the image you want, and the nerds will do the work for you in figuring out how it could have been modified.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Dimethylmercury.

Two drops will kill you in a few months and nothing can be done. It penetrates clothing, regular latex gloves, and skin very easily and unnoticed.

Pretty terrifying stuff. Not sure you’d be able to figure out availability or production in your plot, but as far as poisons go you’d be set for time between dose and death.

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

I'm thinking metal poisoning over time. Lead or copper, for example.

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[-] rosco385@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

Apple seeds contain cyanide. You'd have to crush and eat anywhere from 150 to a few thousand seeds for it to be fatal though. I'm sure that hasn't stopped authors from using it before.

[-] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago

Breaking Bad did this IIRC

[-] rosco385@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

I forgot about Breaking Bad! That was ricin from castor oil beans, but ricin is the opposite of slow acting.

[-] josefo@leminal.space 1 points 6 days ago

yup, I misremembered it being apple seeds, maybe they discussed it before moving to the ricin idea. I should rewatch bb

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

"Honey, I've made your favorite meal! Crushed up pulp from 150 to a few thousand apple seeds!"

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[-] nadram@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Mistletoe berries i think. Otherwise mercury depending on dosage.

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[-] brokenlcd@feddit.it 11 points 1 week ago

For that i think having a read about acqua tofana would be a pretty good source of inspiration, since it was designed to have effects like an illness. it originates in italy so most of it's ingredients are by default from a mediterran climate.

Or if you want something natural without too mutch human processing, belladonna is a surefire, but not slow acting.

[-] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 10 points 1 week ago
  • Heavy metals: lead, mercury
  • Arsenic in small doses over a long period

I don’t know of any plants, but I do know that the leaves of nightshades (potato, tomato, eggplant, capsicum, tobacco) are ~~poisonous~~ toxic in large doses.

[-] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

Arsenic is a classic murder poison. It's been known since anciemt times, though possibly unsuited to your onset requirement. Acute poisoning by ingestion is generally within a few hours, but if your character sustains lower doses over time, you could probably draw out the timeline to whatever you wanted. It would be obvious that the character is unwell during this time, but the symptoms aren't super specific and could be confused with e.g. food poisoning.

Or just invent a mushroom like others said. The toxins are diverse enough that I doubt anyone would be too upset if you tuned it exactly to your timeline and desired symptoms.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

Lead, mercury, and other (mostly heavy) metals. Look up mad hatters. Also phosphorus and match girls

[-] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago

How slow are you talking? Days? Weeks? months?

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[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

Heavy metals in artists’ oil paints.

You can always dig into true crime, see what methods are used to kill husbands.

Check out ChubbyEmu on YouTube. He’s a pharmacist who presents strange and interesting medical stories (with dramatic re-enactments) involving unusual chemical exposures that damage and sometimes kill people. Examples: soda, coconut water from a bad coconut, a fermented soup, ivermectin ordered online, lab chemicals stolen by a student and given to a disliked roommate, and so on. Maybe something there will inspire you. ChubbyEmu does a good job of breaking down complex medical into an easily digestible format.

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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

There was a theory a while back that Napoleon died from arsenic poisoning due to the damp Mediterranean climate causing the decay of a green wallpaper using an arsenic based dye. It didn't end up being entirely true but he may have been slowly poised by environmental arsenic throughout his life. Here is an article about it.

Arsenic is a naturally occurring element in the Earth's crust as metallic crystals or combined with other elements. Being a heavy metal, arsenic bioaccumulates. That is, it builds up in the body over time, so slow poisoning is possible.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Mushroom poisons usually are slow actors. They take a few days while they kill your liver, and then you'll follow suit.

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