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[-] 4am@lemm.ee 307 points 1 week ago

Imagine how much power is wasted on this unfortunate necessity.

Now imagine how much power will be wasted circumventing it.

Fucking clown world we live in

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[-] AtomicHotSauce@lemmy.world 208 points 1 week ago

That's just BattleBots with a different name.

[-] aviationeast@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago
[-] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago

Ok, I now need a screensaver that I can tie to a cloudflare instance that visualizes the generated "maze" and a bot's attempts to get out.

[-] x1gma@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

You probably just should let an AI generate that.

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[-] RelativeArea1@sh.itjust.works 160 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

this is some fucking stupid situation, we somewhat got a faster internet and these bots messing each other are hogging the bandwidth.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Especially since the solution I cooked up for my site works just fine and took a lot less work. This is simply to identify the incoming requests from these damn bots -- which is not difficult, since they ignore all directives and sanity and try to slam your site with like 200+ requests per second, that makes 'em easy to spot -- and simply IP ban them. This is considerably simpler, and doesn't require an entire nuclear plant powered AI to combat the opposition's nuclear plant powered AI.

In fact, anybody who doesn't exhibit a sane crawl rate gets blocked from my site automatically. For a while, most of them were coming from Russian IP address zones for some reason. These days Amazon is the worst offender, I guess their Rufus AI or whatever the fuck it is tries to pester other retail sites to "learn" about products rather than sticking to its own domain.

Fuck 'em. Route those motherfuckers right to /dev/null.

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[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 109 points 1 week ago

Not exactly how I expected the AI wars to go, but I guess since we're in a cyberpunk world, we take what we get

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 67 points 1 week ago

Next step is an AI that detects AI labyrinth.

It gets trained on labyrinths generated by another AI.

So you have an AI generating labyrinths to train an AI to detect labyrinths which are generated by another AI so that your original AI crawler doesn't get lost.

It's gonna be AI all the way down.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

LLMs tend to be really bad at detecting AI generated content. I can’t imagine specialized models are much better. For the crawler, it’s also exponentially more expensive and more human work, and must be replicated for every crawler since they’re so freaking secretive.

I think the hosts win here.

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[-] oldfart@lemm.ee 103 points 1 week ago

So the web is a corporate war zone now and you can choose feudal protection or being attacked from all sides. What a time to be alive.

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

There is also the corpo verified id route. In order to avoid the onslaught of AI bots and all that comes with them you'll need to sacrifice freedom, anonymity, and privacy like a good little peasant to prove you aren't a bot.. and so will everyone else. You'll likely be forced to deal with whatever AI bots are forced upon you while within the walls but better an enemy you know I guess?

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 83 points 1 week ago

Burning 29 acres of rainforest a day to do nothing

[-] digdilem@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 week ago

Surprised at the level of negativity here. Having had my sites repeatedly DDOSed offline by Claudebot and others scraping the same damned thing over and over again, thousands of times a second, I welcome any measures to help.

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[-] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago

So the world is now wasting energy and resources to generate AI content in order to combat AI crawlers, by making them waste more energy and resources. Great! 👍

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The energy cost of inference is overstated. Small models, or “sparse” models like Deepseek are not expensive to run. Training is a one-time cost that still pales in comparison to, like, making aluminum.

Doubly so once inference goes more on-device.

Basically, only Altman and his tech bro acolytes want AI to be cost prohibitive so he can have a monopoly. Also, he’s full of shit, and everyone in the industry knows it.

AI as it’s implemented has plenty of enshittification, but the energy cost is kinda a red herring.

[-] umbraroze@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago

I have no idea why the makers of LLM crawlers think it's a good idea to ignore bot rules. The rules are there for a reason and the reasons are often more complex than "well, we just don't want you to do that". They're usually more like "why would you even do that?"

Ultimately you have to trust what the site owners say. The reason why, say, your favourite search engine returns the relevant Wikipedia pages and not bazillion random old page revisions from ages ago is that Wikipedia said "please crawl the most recent versions using canonical page names, and do not follow the links to the technical pages (including history)". Again: Why would anyone index those?

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[-] quack@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Generating content with AI to throw off crawlers. I dread to think of the resources we’re wasting on this utter insanity now, but hey who the fuck cares as long as the line keeps going up for these leeches.

[-] TorJansen@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 week ago

And soon, the already AI-flooded net will be filled with so much nonsense that it becomes impossible for anyone to get some real work done. Sigh.

[-] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Some of us are only here to crank hog.

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[-] biofaust@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

I guess this is what the first iteration of the Blackwall looks like.

[-] owl@infosec.pub 18 points 1 week ago

Gotta say "AI Labyrinth" sounds almost as cool.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

"I used the AI to destroy the AI"

[-] Fluke@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

And consumed the power output of a medium country to do it.

Yeah, great job! 👍

[-] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We truly are getting dumber as a species. We're facing climate change but running some of the most power hungry processers in the world to spit out cooking recipes and homework answers for millions of people. All to better collect their data to sell products to them that will distract them from the climate disaster our corporations have caused. It's really fun to watch if it wasn't so sad.

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

I’m imagining a sci-fi spin on this where AI generators are used to keep AI crawlers in a loop, and they accidentally end up creating some unique AI culture or relationship in the process.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Considering how many false positives Cloudflare serves I see nothing but misery coming from this.

[-] Dave@lemmy.nz 20 points 1 week ago

In terms of Lemmy instances, if your instance is behind cloudflare and you turn on AI protection, federation breaks. So their tools are not very helpful for fighting the AI scraping.

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 24 points 1 week ago

So we're burning fossil fuels and destroying the planet so bots can try to deceive one another on the Internet in pursuit of our personal data. I feel like dystopian cyberpunk predictions didn't fully understand how fucking stupid we are...

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[-] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago

Will this further fuck up the inaccurate nature of AI results? While I'm rooting against shitty AI usage, the general population is still trusting it and making results worse will, most likely, make people believe even more wrong stuff.

[-] ladel@feddit.uk 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The article says it's not poisoning the AI data, only providing valid facts. The scraper still gets content, just not the content it was aiming for.

E:

It is important to us that we don’t generate inaccurate content that contributes to the spread of misinformation on the Internet, so the content we generate is real and related to scientific facts, just not relevant or proprietary to the site being crawled.

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[-] Deebster@infosec.pub 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So they rewrote Nepenthes (or Iocaine, Spigot, Django-llm-poison, Quixotic, Konterfai, Caddy-defender, plus inevitably some Rust versions)

Edit, but with ✨AI✨ and apparently only true facts

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[-] weremacaque@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You have Thirteen hours in which to solve the labyrinth before your baby AI becomes one of us, forever.

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[-] missandry351@lemmings.world 15 points 1 week ago

This is getting ridiculous. Can someone please ban AI? Or at least regulate it somehow?

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[-] VeloRama@feddit.org 13 points 1 week ago

Should have called it "Black ICE".

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[-] Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago

Why do I have the feeling that I will end up in that nightmare with my privacy focused and ad-free Browser setup. I already end up in captcha hell too often because of it.

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