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[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 192 points 1 month ago

Japan has been living in the year 2000 since 1980.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 72 points 1 month ago

The last good year. Truly they are the most intellectually advanced society.

[-] P1k1e@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Except no one can get laid apparently

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

They have 2d waifus, who needs women?

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[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 151 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The US isn't innovating jack shit.

The US just created a massively polarized and unequal society so that when a country creates a new brilliant researcher or innovation, an American company can buy them out.

Basically, the insane poverty and lack of government services that the average American experiences gives them enough cash to buy up innovative people, companies, and competitors.

[-] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 month ago

Also the post-WW2 world order heavily favours their economy.

Their allies buy their debt, and their weapons. They give access to theiir markets to US companies, and support US wars around the world. They invest in the US economy in an unbalanced way that favours the US economy.

And all of this was in exchange for US security.

[-] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Innovate people, companies, and competitors

And quickly turn them complacent. I work at a Japanese company, and the amount of times I see an amazing Japanese expat turn into a busybody is insane. We have crafted the perfect "fuck your idea just do your job" culture

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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 103 points 1 month ago

If AI is the chief innovation in the US, then the US is massively fucked.

I'd much rather have a fancy shinkansen.

[-] Waffle@infosec.pub 46 points 1 month ago

That's a high speed train for the non-weebs

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago
[-] amorpheus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
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[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 88 points 1 month ago

Economics Explained has an interesting video on the topic. After WWII, Japan became the first country in Asia to undergo an industrial revolution and soon became the second largest economy after the US and was by many accounts set to match or even overtake the US. They then suffered an economic collapse due to unchecked growth and speculative markets and decided to never again speculate on the future and just stick to tried and true methods.

Since the 1990s, Japan's economy has barely changed while other nations have seen huge growth. You'd assume that would mean Japan is now far behind, but they aren't. They seem to have mastered keeping everything the same for decades without the normal decline that comes with it.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

After WWII, Japan became the first country in Asia to undergo an industrial revolution

After WW2? Industrialization during the 20s/30s was the whole reason they attempted to conqueror the Oceanic island states and the Chinese/Korean/Indochinese mainland.

They then suffered an economic collapse due to unchecked growth and speculative markets and decided to never again speculate on the future and just stick to tried and true methods.

The Japanese Economy was undone by The Plaza Accord and The Louvre Accord, which western nations used to devalue their currency and undermine Japanese export prices. The downturn, followed by a financialized corporate consolidation and expropriation of revenues through foreign investment, permanently crippled the Japanese economy in the aftermath of the 90s Asian recession.

What sets countries like Japan, Korea, and the Philippines apart from China is the domestic control of their industries. Their markets are dominated by private equity and fixated on steady profit margins rather than long term public investments. Consequently, the capital cities are flooded with cash and industrial development while the rural areas are devoid of commerce. There's no shortage of speculation, but its rooted in the private equity markets and focused largely on fictitious capital - debt instruments and their derivatives - rather than real capital or technology.

Chinese investment in the periphery and its rising tide of middle class wage earners is what propels them into the 21st century. They're the ones building out new transit lines, new public housing projects, new universities, and blue sky research. The Xi Government is openly hostile to speculative investment, doesn't bother to bail out failing financial institutions, and focuses primarily on expansion of utilities, trade corridors, and mixed us developments.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Japan is on the verge if major economic collapse if they do not increase the population

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

They'll survive it, their markets and investments aren't overvalued like ours are. They'll crash, re-evaluate their societal priorities, and start to build again

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

That's an incredibly optimistic outlook.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

I mean every society has to rebuild after a crash, I'm just optimistic that they'll do it faster

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[-] Caitlyynn 8 points 1 month ago

That'd require significant societal change to an environment where having children is actually manageable

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[-] prole 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Honestly, sounds great to me. I know they've had "issues" (is it really an issue for me if my money becomes more valuable?) with deflation, but I'd be OK with that if it meant no more speculation.

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[-] DesolateMood@lemm.ee 63 points 1 month ago

They have no groundbreaking AI software

Neither does the US

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[-] hobovision@lemm.ee 61 points 1 month ago

The idea that Japan was ever more technologically advanced than the US is a tough argument to make. Perhaps they had better consumer and transportation technologies, but the US led the world in nearly all other forms of technology (see silicon valley, NASA, US defense technology, etc). It's cool the hate on the US but there's a reason it was the world super power for decades. It's too bad it's turning into an anti-science christo-facist kelptocracy.

[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

I think it's mostly that they did way better than the US in terms of making many consumer technology products widely available at a higher quality and better cost than the US did. Like, Japanese brands were huge for televisions, audio equipment and similar goods. I can think of several that were the go to brands for TVs when I was growing up, but I can't think of a single US-based manufacturer, even a crappy one.

They also did way better in terms of building out internet access and public transport than the US has done.

It might only be within a few limited sectors, but when those sectors account for the vast majority of peoples' interactions with technology, it's going to have a far greater impact on their perceptions of relative advancement.

Also, in the pre-internet days, it probably helped that non-Japanese people largely didn't see all the ways that Japan can be an extremely conservative country, like their reliance on fax machines long after pretty much every other country with the means to do so had almost entirely left them behind as obsolete.

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[-] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 61 points 1 month ago

Because AI software isn't ground breaking and is actually useless

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago

Same thing that happens everywhere. Low cost innovation gets expensive as companies grow and salaries rise, profit seekers move to exploit cheaper labor elsewhere.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

dude had already swallowed the tech bs, thinks ai is the furthest advancement of technology when it can't compete with ancient tech. literally can't do what a calculator can do reliably. or a timer. or a calendar.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago

Please let's try to keep generative AI from claiming the entire word "AI".
Current generative AI is good at and built for mimicking patterns with boundary conditions.
This means it does a decent job of imitating authoritative knowledge, but it's just mimicking it.
People are hyped for it because it looks knowledgeable, it's relatively simple to make, and a lot of what we do is text based so it's easy to apply.

There are a lot of other types of AI, the majority even, that work significantly better, take a small fraction of the computing power and provide helpful and meaningful results. They just don't look like anything other than complex math, which is all any of them are in the end.

[-] uranibaba@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

A calculator, timer or calendar can’t help me write an essay. You are comparing tools meant for different tasks. At least build your argumentets on something reasonable.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Take an English class you illiterate gremlin.

Resource intense auto correct that does not understand the information it’s stringing together should not be used to write anything academically or professionally.

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[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Why argue with someone who isn't intelligent enough to write their essays without mechanical assistance?

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

funny how it's not "intelligent" enough to say "hey I don't really do math" and instead feeds me bullshit that I have to correct and then it'll say "oh yeah totally right sorry here's the actual answer that I wouldn't have given if you hadn't corrected me as the one who asked the question"

also your essay fucking sucks. learn to put together a coherent thought instead of relying on a glorified autocorrect that doesn't have them at all to do it for you.

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[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 month ago

Ground breaking AI🤡

[-] Panamalt@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 month ago

Japan still generally places more emphasis on quality over shitting out shiny new, overpriced garbage as fast as possible

[-] jqubed@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

Maybe Japan is so advanced it already moved past the overhyped generative “AI” and that’s why we haven’t heard anything about it

[-] superkret@feddit.org 27 points 1 month ago

Their AI needs longer to develop cause it has to be folded a million times.

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

They have impure silicon there so their software dev practices had to become way more advanced to compensate

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[-] diverging@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago

Doc: "No wonder this circuit failed; it says 'Made in Japan'."
Marty: "What do you mean, Doc? All the best stuff is made in Japan."

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 month ago

Defines "ages". Blue leds came out of Japan somewhat recently and that's pretty huge

[-] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

Veritasium has an awesome video about the Japanese scientist that discovered blue LEDs, guy basically did it single handedly despite pushback from his boss. Absolutely insane scientific achievement

[-] gabelstapler@feddit.org 22 points 1 month ago

Japan is living in the year 2000, since 50 years.

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[-] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

I don't exactly keep up with the technological innovations of every country, but I get the feeling it isn't so much that Japan hasn't innovated in decades, so much as they haven't done anything he (it's 4chan, let's be frank, it's a he) personally finds interesting or that is publicized in the medium he gets his news from.

[-] Rin@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

China king of tech advancement

yeah right.

  • EVs that blow up easily.
  • DeepSeek AI being a wrapper for ChatGPT's API.
  • Skidded designs (aircraft, cars, etc)
  • infrastructure that barely holds itself together (tofu dreg)

The only thing they consistantly innovate is how to fuck over their own population.

[-] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

DeepSeek AI being a wrapper for ChatGPT’s API.

I don't think that's true and their innovations are pretty impressive. Sad that they are ruled by genocidal dictator fuckhead

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

I mean Misskey came from there. So they’re still innovating.

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