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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 90 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you're wondering if it's really that bad, have this quote:

GNOME sysadmin, Bart Piotrowski, kindly shared some numbers to let people fully understand the scope of the problem. According to him, in around two hours and a half they received 81k total requests, and out of those only 3% passed Anubi's proof of work, hinting at 97% of the traffic being bots

And this is just one quote. The article is full of quotes of people all over reporting they can't focus on their work because either the infra they rely on is constantly down, or because they're the ones fighting to keep it functional.

This shit is unsustainable. Fuck all of these AI companies.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago

Its absolutely sustainable. Just cache it. Done.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 month ago

I'm sure that if it was that simple people would be doing it already...

[-] Strawberry 5 points 1 month ago

The bots scrape costly endpoints like the entire edit histories of every page on a wiki. You can't always just cache every possible generated page at the same time.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Of course you can. This is why people use CDNs.

Put the entire site on a CDN with a cache of 24 hours for unauthenticated users.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 84 points 1 month ago

In a blogpost called, "AI crawlers need to be more respectful", they claim that blocking all AI crawlers immediately decreased their traffic by 75%, going from 800GB/day to 200GB/day. This made the project save up around $1500 a month.

"AI" companies are a plague on humanity. From now on, I'm mentally designating them as terrorists.

[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

that's the pure definition of a parasite

[-] gon@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

Great write-up by Niccolò.

I actually agree with the commenter on that post, the lack of quoting and using images is pretty bad, especially for screen-readers (which I use), and not directly linking sources (though they are made clear regardless) is a bit of a pain.

[-] WorkingLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Definitely agree. Love TheLibre as it covers subjects I don't see hit on as often but the lack of actually linking to sources and proper quotes blows.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

LLM scraping is a parasite on the internet. In the actual ecological definition of parasite: they place a burden on other unwitting ~~organisms~~ computer systems, making it harder for the host to survive or carry out their own necessary processes, solely for the parasite's own benefit while giving nothing to the host in return.

I know there's an ongoing debate (both in the courts and on social media) about whether AI should have to pay royalties to its training data under copyright law, but I think they should at the very least be paying to use infrastructure while collecting the data, even free data, given that it costs the organisation hosting said data real money and resources to be scraped, and it's orders of magnitude more money and resources compared to serving that data to individual people.

The case can certainly be made that copying is not theft, but copying is by no means free either, especially when done at the scales LLMs do.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One of my sites was close to being DoS'd by openAI's crawler along with a couple of other crawlers. Blocking them made the site much faster.

I'd admit the software design offering search suggestions as HTML links didn't exactly help (this is a FOSS software used for hundreds of sites, and this issue likely applies to similar sites) but their rapid speed of requests turned this from pointless queries into a negligent security threat.

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago

I have a small site that mirrors hacker news but with dark mode and stuff, and it is getting blasted by bot traffic. All the data is freely available from the official api but they're scraping my piddling site which runs on an anemic VPS because it looks like user generated content. Bot protection does little to help from my provider. Gonna have to rethink my whole architecture now. Very annoying

[-] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 month ago

You'd think these centralised LLM search providers would be caching a lot of this stuff, eg perplexity or claude.

[-] droplet6585@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 month ago

There's two prongs to this

  1. Caching is an optimization strategy used by legitimate software engineers. AI dorks are anything but.

  2. Crippling information sources outside of service means information is more easily "found" inside the service.

So if it was ever a bug, it's now a feature.

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Third prong, looking constantly for new information. Yeah, most of these sites may be basically static, but it's probably cheaper and easier to just constantly recrawl things.

They're absolutely not crawling it every time they nee to access the data. That's an incredible waste of processing power on their end as well.

In the case of code though that does change somewhat often. They'd still need to check if the code has been updated at the bare minimum.

[-] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

Hashes for cached content. Anyone know what sort of DB makes sense here?

[-] carrylex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

While AI crawlers are a problem I'm also kind of astonished why so many projects don't use tools like ratelimiters or IP-blocklists. These are pretty simple to setup, cause no/very little additional load and don't cause collateral damage for legitimate users that just happend to use a different browser.

[-] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

the article posted yesterday mentioned a lot of these requests are only made once per IP address, the botnet is absolutely huge.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sad there's no mention of running an Onion Service. That has built-in PoW for DoS protection. So you dont have to be an asshole and block all if Brazil or China or Edge users.

Just use Tor, silly sysadmins

[-] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 11 points 1 month ago

Proof of work is what those modern captchas tend to do I believe. Not useful to stop creating accounts and such, but very effective to stop crawlers.

Have the same problem at work, and Cloudflare does jack shit about it. Half that traffic uses user agents that have no chance to even support TLS1.3, I see some IE5, IE6, Opera with their old Presto engine, I've even seen Netscape. Complete and utter bullshit. At this point if you're not on an allow list of known common user agents or logged in, you get a PoW captcha.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah but Tor's doesn't require JavaScript, so you dont have to block at-risk users and opress them further

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