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Asahi Lina: For personal reasons, I no longer feel safe working on Linux GPU drivers or the Linux graphics ecosystem. I've paused work on Apple GPU drivers indefinitely. (mastodon.gamedev.place)

submitted 4 months ago by popcar2@programming.dev to c/linux@programming.dev

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For personal reasons, I no longer feel safe working on Linux GPU drivers or the Linux graphics ecosystem. I've paused work on Apple GPU drivers indefinitely.

I can't share any more information at this time, so please don't ask for more details. Thank you.

If you think you know what happened or the context, you probably don't. Please don't make assumptions. Thank you.

I'm safe physically, but I'll be taking some time off in general to focus on my health.

Well that's sudden.

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[-] Mikina@programming.dev 107 points 4 months ago

This is the worst way how to announce something like this.

I don't know the context, but if the goal was to not start a wave of speculations, it would be better to simply not hint at anything. I wonder what happened, and I respect if they don't want to deal with it, but this does feel weird.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 83 points 4 months ago

I no longer feel safe

Please don’t make assumptions

Yeah wtf is that. If there are reasons to feel unsafe that arent just entirely individual, then you should tell other people that might be in danger. If its entirely individual, then state that so that other people wont be worried about their safety.

[-] S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Damned right I read that and thought "It's your first day on the internet?"

There is a small match lit in the floor it will probably snuff out itself but just to be sure let's put it out with gasoline

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 17 points 4 months ago

It's basically vaguebooking.

[-] notarobot@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

Well. What were the options? Stopping without saying anything? Lying? I think this is better. Sure I'll speculate. Bit I'll keep it for myself

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[-] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 103 points 4 months ago

Wild. All I wanna do now is make assumptions. 🤣

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 70 points 4 months ago

Most of it was pretty much said in the previous announcement from the Asahi leadership. The TL:DR is that people are incredibly entitled, support took a huge downturn, but demands kept rising, and allegedly there have been numerous personal attacks on people. The Linux project leadership drama was just the whipped cream on top of the cake

[-] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 76 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

RIP Asahi Linux.

Fuck off to all the fascists ruining OSS.

[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 4 months ago

What fascists are ruining OSS?

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 76 points 4 months ago

Guessing it's because Lina is queer. A little bit ago, I was trying to find what was going on and found a bunch of bigoted comments and conspiracy theories about her and her girlfriend(maybe wife now?).

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 51 points 4 months ago

First Marcan, now Lina. Huge blow to the Asahi project :(

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

~~Twas the same person, AFAIK~~

Edit: Apparently they're not, or at least there's a bunch of controversy there I have absolutely no intention of getting into.

[-] axum 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

These talking points about identity originated from kiwi farms.

It's this kind of weird unhealthy speculation that gets people to step down.

I'd not perpetuate their views.

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 months ago

Ugh I forgot that shit hole was still running

[-] ExperimentalGuy@programming.dev 8 points 4 months ago

What's kiwi farms? I'm not really in the loop on this issue.

[-] axum 28 points 4 months ago

A hate site where a lot of the worst of 4chan/8chan racist, nationalist, and lgbtq-phobic types congregate to organize harassment campaigns against people they don't like. They have been linked to multiple people committing suicide.

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[-] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A forum where trolls congregate to gossip and organize harassment.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

Was not aware there was any controversy about this. Just something I had read in another forum. If that's the case I obviously retract my earlier comment.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Pretty sure that's been debunked. If you can find a credible source, I'd like to see it.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

Was not aware there was any controversy about this. Just something I had read in another forum. If that's the case I obviously retract my earlier comment.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You haven't actually retracted the statement. People have terrible reading comprehension and if you don't at least ~~strikethough~~ your comment, people will read only that part and repeat it.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

True. Done!

[-] hellofriend@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Likely the use of "twas"

[-] ulterno@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago

So... people like the nu-age shortcuts but not the ye olde ones?

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

WTF? Is somebody threatening her for working on open source drivers???

What is this fucking timeline...

Edit: ohhhhh...there seems to be a LOT of underlying stuff happening here. Like Lina is an anime alter-ego of Marcan I guess? So confused...

[-] axum 60 points 4 months ago

These talking points about identity originated from kiwi farms.

It's this kind of weird unhealthy speculation that gets people to step down.

I'd not perpetuate it.

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[+] termaxima@jlai.lu 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

other OSs are catching up slowly but surely.

Which ones are those? Linux is a rock, it doesnt budge it just slowly but surely does its thing. Thats why people use Linux, because it serves its purpose and it has been doing that for a while without Rust.

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[-] ysjet@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago

Rust isn't necessary. It can be mildly helpful, but it's also hurt in that it's community tends to make it actively unhelpful, just like in this case.

Linux development happened just fine for decades before rust, and while there are benefits to rust from a security point of view, if they can't maintain the code, they'll just go back to C and deal with process and policy for managing memory safety.

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 months ago

Some old fashioned c++ and c developers, like me, feel more entitled to entrench more, and see Rust as a political movement, and not a serious tool.

I’m fairly reactionary against adding more Rust to stable projects. While I’m sure at some of that is me being old and set in my ways, the other gives people like me talking points, which may or may not help.

[-] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 10 points 4 months ago

your description of yourself is that you're an insufferable twat?

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 months ago

Ignoring your rudeness now. It’s more like I’ve seen the same wheel invented a lot of times and can recognize most tech are basically equally functional.

I used to make fun of cobol because it has no stack; I often wondered why such a language was ever popular, why it had so many lines of code. Now, I know there was a reason it worked, why it still is used, and can appreciate how people work with it.

I’ve made a couple of my own languages nobody uses; so new and different languages do not overawe me as much.

Any popular language, new or old, works well enough with it having strengths and weaknesses. Some have superiority in their libraries or ecosystems and not the core. It’s ok to choose a language based on this or that. It’s ok to mix and match languages together in one project because it’s how they talk together which makes it work, and in the larger scope of things it really does not matter which is used.

I personally have nothing against any language, including rust.

It’s a general trend to try to fit a specific language everywhere that irritates me, I tend to see that as a software nerd’s religion or politics instead of how much better that language is.

And so, based on the above, is why proponents of their holy language irritate the crap out of me. And rust is certainly not the first to do that

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 6 points 4 months ago

It’s more like I’ve seen the same wheel invented a lot of times and can recognize most tech are basically equally functional.

So... I would recommend at least reading the Wikipedia page for Rust because it's pretty clear that you don't know anything about it at all if you think it is "the same wheel". Rust is the first practical memory safe systems language that doesn't rely on GC for memory safety.

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago

I am happy that you like rust.

I also would like to point out there are many ways to manage memory. Not all of them are badly designed and hacked code done by stubborn people who just need to be saved

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 6 points 4 months ago

Ah the old "I don't make mistakes" classic. Some weapons grade hubris here...

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[-] axum 4 points 4 months ago

There's a lot of irony here for you to invent enemy "holy rust" people in your head while failing to see your own projection of "use my holy C I preach and stop preaching others".

[-] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago

I made no such claim about c nor am I saying it should be used in general, if you read what I wrote more carefully, I am actually against all that

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

Spinning more drama around this project, that’s what it needs.

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 18 points 4 months ago

Yeah classic attention seeking behaviour. Just say you're stopping work on it for personal reasons, or give details. The only reason to tease gossip like this is because you like the drama.