Fuck Israel. Fuck AIPAC. Fuck Biden. Fuck Trump. Fuck Schumer.
I support Palestine. I support Hamas. Arresting, detaining, and threatening to deport student protestors at Columbia makes me more supportive of Palestine and Hamas.
Hamas is the government of Gaza and a large portion of the armed resistance against "Israeli" occupiers. Calling them terrorists is using racist "Israeli" propaganda directed at all Palestinians and cynically leveraged by imperialist countries - like the kind you probably live in and whose politicians you probably provide support - to assist in the systemic violent oppression and displacement of Palestinians. In fact, your entire line could be lifted from bog standard "Israeli" propaganda takes, including the perpetrators of genocide.
Please educate yourself before sharing opinions.
I second this, only small part actually committed acts of terrorism and have disrwgard for civilians, I believe the al qassam brigades. By trying to argue that all Hamas members are terrorists he just shows his poor understanding.
Hamas is the government of Gaza
Sure. When's the last time they've allowed elections to occur, though? Dictating that you're the government isn't something someone who cares about their people does.
Calling them terrorists is using racial "Israeli" propaganda directed at all Palestinians
Nope. You can clearly see I differentiated Hamas from Palestinians. Yes, the Israelis look at all Palestinians as Hamas, as do many people in the West, but I'm not Israeli nor do I care what they think - so what they think doesn't matter. There's no Israeli propaganda in my comment, that's your assumption based on....?
If your entire argument boils down to "Well you're saying the same stuff as Israel is so you're just spreading propaganda" then maybe you don't have thoughts of your own, it's all just the opposite of what Israel says. Israel is a terrorist state but that doesn't mean every single thing they say is wrong. Hamas are terrorists, plain and simple. They invoke fear through violence.
Please educate yourself before sharing opinions
Let me know of all the benefits Hamas has brought to the Palestinian people and educate me. Nothing you wrote was educational or convincing. Hamas are still terrorists who are holding their own people hostage.
Hamas are still terrorists who are holding their own people hostage.
This is literally Israeli propaganda to blame the occupation, the Apartheid, and the genocide, onto Palestinians who dare to fight for emancipation.
The existence of Hamas, and any armed resistance movement, is directly due to the decades of violence experienced daily under the permanent occupation, the Apartheid State, of Israel. It's impossible to understand their existence if you don't understand the lived experience and material conditions they are forced to live under. There is no such thing as a perfect victim when it comes to anti-Colonialist resistance, not for the Vietcong, the IRA, or the ANC either. Can you condemn the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in the same way as the violence of the Warsaw Ghetto?
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
Adi Callai has also done a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history, as well as an analysis of Franz Fanon and Identity Politics in the context of Colonialism and Anti-colonialism.
Sure. When's the last time they've allowed elections to occur, though?
When have you ever tried educating yourself on this topic outside of accepting and repeating the propaganda of those who genocide Palestinians?
Palestine and Palestinians are not permitted a functioning state, including the so-called Palestinian Authority. There was exactly one round of questionable "elections" in the late 2000s following the failed Camp David agreements, the electoral process dictated to Gaza by the UN, but not one allowed to be executed in any remotely fair way due to meddling and destabilization by the occupiers, "Israel", including wars and invasions during the process. The people of Gaza are refugees and their government, such as it is, is a collaborative relationship between the UN and Hamas, a relationship established by Hamas de facto winning a small guerilla civil war with Fatah with the election they won as words to be misunderstood by Western chauvinists. This is why "Israel"'s genocidal campaign in Gaza heavily targeted UN workers alongside hospitals and schools: they are part of the normal civilian infrastructure responsible for healthcare, aid distribution, etc, and they work alongside Hamas members doing the exact same things but more closely to the people on the ground. There is no process or even just basic societal basis for elections. This is a factionalized struggle for survival. Their democratic progress has been to form solid alliances with other anti-comprador groups and to involve them in governance. And to organize against their occupiers.
Calling them terrorists is using racial "Israeli" propaganda directed at all Palestinians
Nope.
Yep.
You can clearly see I differentiated Hamas from Palestinians.
And "Israel" propaganda also waffles on that line as needed, broad brushing when they can get away with it and being slightly more specific when it suits them. When making a case to, say, Western governments, it will call Hamas, specifically, terrorists. It is intended to be a selectively-applied delegitimizing label. But in casual conversions and domestically, it is used much more broadly and causally but to the same effect. And always racially.
If we go through your comment section, will we find the same knee-jerk labeling of "Israel", which is infinitely more guilty and more is an occupying oppressor? How about your own country, which likely supports the genocide?
Yes, the Israelis look at all Palestinians as Hamas
The "Israelis" look at Palestinians as subhumans just like other Western settler colonists did to their targets. You are seeing an ongoing settler colonial genocide and following the propaganda of the genociders. Would you have called the Sioux terrorists for opposing their own genocide, fighting the settlers occupying their lands? I think so. Rather than recognize the dramatic difference between the actions and basis for them, the violences at hand, you are allowing yourself to be persuaded by the inconsistent, flattening application of settler propaganda, persuaded to repeat it even while feeling that you're doing the opposite. This is common with a lack of investigation.
as do many people in the West, but I'm not Israeli nor do I care what they think - so what they think doesn't matter. There's no Israeli propaganda in my comment, that's your assumption based on....?
The misleading and false characterizations of Hamas as simply terrorist. This is an easily recognizable trope.
If your entire argument boils down to "Well you're saying the same stuff as Israel is so you're just spreading propaganda" then maybe you don't have thoughts of your own, it's all just the opposite of what Israel says.
This is just projection. You're clearly recycling the logic of (racist) Zionist settler propaganda, I am simply recognizing it for what it is.
Israel is a terrorist state but that doesn't mean every single thing they say is wrong. Hamas are terrorists, plain and simple. They invoke fear through violence.
All substantial violence invokes fear but somehow you don't seem to consistently use the language that way. Do some self-interrogation on why that is and what purpose this label is serving in your mind on this topic.
Let me know of all the benefits Hamas has brought to the Palestinian people and educate me.
This is asking me to write quite a bit more than I already have. It would be many comments long. Hamas is the governing body of Gaza, it works with UN aid distribution and expertise to manage the infrastructure of Gaza. The people of Gaza had hospitals and doctors due to Hamas via this system, for example. In addition, Hamas is the only ruling Palestinian body that does not function as compradors like the PA, who assists "Israel" in their oppressions. The existence of a militant resistance to the occupation is in many ways thanks to Hamas - along with smaller militant factions, of course. Imagine how much could be listed re: all aid dispersal, all governance of infrastructure, bureaucratic necessities, militant organizing.
I'm not going to write up this comprehensive history for someone who is not only uncurious, but actively resistant to humility and education. That would be silly. If you are curious you can read books yourself and learn the same things.
Nothing you wrote was educational or convincing.
I do not set my bar for educational or convincing based on your responses so that's okay. You are already aware that you have not actually investigated this topic and this is just disssembling. I did not have high hopes for you being open about this.
Hamas are still terrorists who are holding their own people hostage.
It's really funny that you claim to not be blindly repeating Zionist propaganda and then say things like this.
Using indiscriminate armed violence against civilians for political goals or under political pretenses is about the most reasonable definition of terrorism I can come up with.
I agree that the Palestinians are fully legitimate in taking up arms to fight against the occupier but the Hamas have carried far too many terrorist attacks over a far too long period for us to have any doubts that they are indeed ‘terroristic’ as our friend put it.
While it is nice to keep it mind, the fact that they also do other things besides terrorism is not an argument.
Or should we also refrain from calling the Israeli state terrorist because it also does other stuff besides indiscriminately and arbitrarily targeting Palestinians?
Hamas uses extremely discriminate violence. Only 3% of the deaths on October 7 were children.
Israel is the Nazi state which uses indiscriminate violence. And the majority demographic killed by Israel are 5 year olds.
No it does not. Hamas protested peacefully for a 2state solution in 2017.
You cannot ignore the fact that Palestinians have tried every other option before resorting to violence. Complaining that their prison break season finale out of the concentration camp was not the cleanest operation ever is ridiculous.
Saying Hamas holds their own people hostage is truly misguided. You blame Hamas for what Israel does.
I'm not ignoring any facts. You are ignoring the point I am trying to make.
I don't even blame Palestinians for resorting to terrorism.
If you don't blame them for resorting to terrorism then it makes no sense for you to take issue with other people supporting them because of said terrorism. Whatever point you're trying to make you're failing.
Sorry for the misunderstanding but I'm actually not the one taking issue with people supporting Hamas. I'm taking issue with one guy taking issue with another, the latter, while seemingly sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, expressing his belief that Hamas doesn't deserve support on account of their terrorist actions (amongst other things IIRC) and the former yelling that he can't say that because that's what Israeli propaganda says.
My point is one, that terrorism is a valid red-line for a stranger on the internet to express, although I don't take offense at people constructively debating that, and two, that reminding that Hamas has resorted to terror is a valid take, notwithstanding whatever Israeli propaganda uses to push their narrative.
Terrorism is not a valid red line, it is absolutely unavoidable in the pursuit of freedom from overwhelming colonial oppression, condemning resistance movements for doing the only things that have ever actually worked for driving occupiers out is moronic and ethically bankrupt
Using indiscriminate armed violence against civilians for political goals or under political pretenses is about the most reasonable definition of terrorism I can come up with.
That is not what Hamas does. And by that definition, applied consistently, you would actually need to include most of the groups that Hamas does fight, including "Israel" and its supporting states like the US and Canada. And yet they are rarely named terrorist states, whereas Hamas routinely receives this association by those who live in those countries and help build their materials of oppression. What function do you believe this selective use of language serves?
The application of the label has been racist and chauvinist for ages. Most pick it up by cultural osmosis, not seeing reason to question or investigate it. Now is your opportunity!
I agree that the Palestinians are fully legitimate in taking up arms to fight against the occupier but the Hamas have carried far too many terrorist attacks over a far too long period for us to have any doubts that they are indeed ‘terroristic’ as our friend put it
Such as? How does this compare to "Israel"? The surrounding comprador states? The US? Canada? Do you apply this logic and labeling frequency consistently or as suggested by dominant propaganda?
When First Nations fought against settlers, were they terrorists and similarly illegitimate? What would you think of someone who watched their genocide and spent their focus on villifying militant groups and alleged specific acts with racialized language while using no such emphasis for the much greater volume of such violence to enact genocide? Many indigenous groups have recognized the need to oppose settlers themselves and settlerdom, the people who stole their and their parents' land and houses and killed their relatives. You simply dismiss such people as terrorists? Without chauvinist glasses of the oppressor you would probably call them freedom fighters.
While it is nice to keep it mind, the fact that they also do other things besides terrorism is not an argument.
Of course it is when the absurd premise is to ignorantly broad brush them with the label. The vast, vast majority of the activities of Hamas cannot be described as terroristic, much more so than their accusers.
Or should we also refrain from calling the Israeli state terrorist because it also does other stuff besides indiscriminately and arbitrarily targeting Palestinians?
Do you call "Israel", which is infinitely more guilty of this and is itself the settler colonial occupier, a terrorist state at its every mention? Do you jump into conversations to ensure it is understood as such?
"Israel" engages in a genocidal campaign of land theft and ethnic subjugation. Describe the actual acts and see how much value your attempt at labeling possesses in terns of delegitimation.
Yes, plenty of other people perform indiscriminate attacks upon civilians, and many states, including in the west use arbitrary violence against other civilians or even their own. I'm sure people are aware that they are terrorists outside of Hamas.
You are right, plenty of people use the label to further their own goals and the 'terrorist' label is mostly used if not misused to discredit groups of people or political movements. Since it doesn't really seem like the term is going to go anywhere soon, I think it is important to give a precise meaning to the term for this very reason.
Do we really need to mention every single act of terror committed by the Hamas or otherwise since the dawn of time? This is just shitty rhetoric, the same kind that Zionists use all the time.
But you do make some good points. Although I understand why you might have thought otherwise, I do think that Hamas needs to be portrayed fairly which indeed we haven't done so far. Leaving it that way doesn't do Palestinians, which overall greatly require our support and help, any good.
So for anyone else who would, per chance, stumble upon here, I'd like humbly submit my own personal presentation of Hamas, not-so-highly condensed for your own benefit:
The Hamas is a Palestinian political organization of Muslim-Brotherhood-inspired Islamic ideology. It was created in the Gaza strip in the late eighties during the first Intifada, a popular uprising against the Israeli occupation of their ancestral lands and the oppression the Palestinians have been facing ever since. Led by a physically disabled scholar, which up to this point had spend most of his time managing charities to help the dispossessed, the resistance movement created an armed wing to fight the State of Israel. Everyone knows of course, that the dismantling of the Zionist State was inscribed as a goal of Hamas in their first charter, but a less-well known fact is that, at the time, it was the official stance, and seemingly the majority view inside the movement, that civilians were not legitimate targets. (This didn't stop civilian deaths during operations, people can argue if it was a bug or a feature but let's move along).
This stance officially changed in the nineties, when Baruch Goldstein, an Israeli civilian settler, opened fire inside a Hebron mosque, killing 29 people and injuring many more. In response to this, and also against the Oslo peace deal (to be fair it was a shitty deal for Palestinians), they started launching suicide bombings, largely targeting places where civilians gather like busses or busy streets, and this for many years. Along with plenty of other possibly more important reasons, like continued settlement expansion inside Palestinian territories, this culminated in the failure of the Oslo deals and the second Intifada, during which plenty of other legitimate or terror attacks where committed and directed by Hamas members (amongst many other acts of violence committed by Israel, Israeli settlers, or other Palestinian groups or individuals)
It took some time and a great deal of oppression but Israel succeeded in crushing the uprising but still withdrew from the Gaza strip in 2005, handing over control to the Palestinian Authority. Although I focused a lot on the armed conflict on the sole account that it is more eventful, it should be stressed that Hamas has continued to have large non-combating components, notably running charities filling the vacuum left by lack of proper state amenities and social services thus providing support to a significant part of the Palestinian population. They ended up coming first in elections in 2006, running on a platform against the rampant corruption in the Palestinian Authority controlled by the PLO. This caused Israeli and international outrage, things went sour. Hamas took control of the Gaza strip after some fighting against the PLO which they have administered ever since.
Hamas being largely considered at this point by the Israelis as a mortal enemy of Israel and of the Jewish people, Israel blockaded the Gaza strip in return. This didn't stop sporadic acts of violence, like rockets fired at cities (although a lot if not most were fired by other militant groups) or operations against military targets, to which Israel responded with massive campaigns of destruction with immense death tolls. However, large periods of relative calm also occurred. During this period the Hamas made gestures of some significance towards Israel or peaceful resolution, like unilaterally declaring a long-term truce, attempting to prevent other groups to launch attacks, or stating rather clearly that they were ready to negotiate a long-term settlement with the Israeli State of the basis of the 1967 borders.
It could be quite easily argued that between 2005 and October 7, actual terror acts committed by Hamas were, relatively speaking and of course ignoring the suffering of their victims, quite insignificant compared to its history before 2005 or to its political power in the Gaza Strip or its large spread in Palestinian society. But it should not be ignored that by that point, the Israeli security apparatus, the Gaza blockade and the construction of the West-Bank wall had also made operations a lot more complicated to carry out. It should also be mentioned that Hamas has at times shown itself to be a force of oppression against the Palestinian people.
It seems rather well-established that the October 7 attack were planned to target civilians besides legitimate military targets.
It is important to stress that I focused here solely on Hamas, leaving out the greater context for the sake of brevity. Hamas has never existed or operated in a vacuum. Hamas is a late actor in a conflict that finds its roots over about 150 years ago when a bunch of Europeans Jews, in the face of rising antisemitism and partly inspired by other European nationalist and proto-fascist movements, decided it was a good idea to settle the land of Palestine to create a Jewish state, no matter if the people living there felt otherwise.
Anybody hell-bent of laying the blame on someone or a group needs to come to terms with the fact those truly responsible for the tragic mess that is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and who are not all Jewish, Israeli, or even Palestinian, have all been dead for quite some time. Amongst the many of those who have decided since then to contribute to the problem rather than solve it, special mention should be made of Benjamin Netanyahu, a major player in Israeli politics for over thirty years, seventeen of which he was prime minister, and who largely contributed to the climate of hate inside Israeli society and, ultimately, the ongoing genocide. Speaking of which, intentions of genocide, or at the very least ethnic cleansing if you will, were quite clearly expressed by some of the most notable early Zionist leaders, and the Israeli settler movement has actively pursued this goal for decades.
I'm not going to contribute further to the discussion but please feel free to reply.
Before I respond to anything in this comment, I want to make a note about its nature and content.
It does not, in fact, address basically anything I said. Rather than address what I said, 90% of your comment is just an attempt to rehash pieces the history of "Israel" and Hamas, with some true elements, some misleading elements, and some outright false elements. It is unclear why you wrote most of it and its presentation is incoherent, without clear connection between paragraphs or points. It's like you are summarizing bits and pieces of Wikipedia and injecting your own takes every so often.
Anyways. I will simply repeat myself where necessary, which is to say, repeat most of my previous comment in one way or another.
In my last comment, I took issue with your presentation of Hamas as terrorist. You claimed, "Using indiscriminate armed violence against civilians for political goals or under political pretenses is about the most reasonable definition of terrorism I can come up with." and I responded to this with two paragraphs explaining how this is misleading at best and is itself deployed in a racist way via its inconsistent application. I made note of how it is used inconsistently repeatedly and challenged you to consider your own use of the term. In your reply, you did not engage with any of this. Instead, you wrote this:
Yes, plenty of other people perform indiscriminate attacks upon civilians, and many states, including in the west use arbitrary violence against other civilians or even their own. I’m sure people are aware that they are terrorists outside of Hamas.
You are right, plenty of people use the label to further their own goals and the ‘terrorist’ label is mostly used if not misused to discredit groups of people or political movements. Since it doesn’t really seem like the term is going to go anywhere soon, I think it is important to give a precise meaning to the term for this very reason.
This does not address what I said or how I challenged you. I did not ask "how is the term used?" I gave you plenty of direction: it is used inconsistently and in a racist manner. I asked you what function that serves. Is, "discredit" the entirety of your thought process for why a colonized people would be targeted with demonizing language applied inconsistently? You should spend more time thinking about it. I'm not exactly being subtle, here.
Re: precision, that is actually what I am pointing out to you. The term is not applied consistently, i.e. it has more meaning than what you might go and try to look up in a dictionary. You are actually being less precise, using a false facade of semantics, missing the actual semantics going on here. And still trying to push back despite conciliatory language.
I next responded to your boorish claims about Hamas doing lots and lots of terrorism, saying: "Such as? How does this compare to “Israel”? The surrounding comprador states? The US? Canada? Do you apply this logic and labeling frequency consistently or as suggested by dominant propaganda?"
The entirety of your response to that appears to be:
Do we really need to mention every single act of terror committed by the Hamas or otherwise since the dawn of time? This is just shitty rhetoric, the same kind that Zionists use all the time.
This is childish behavior. You claimed, "Hamas have carried far too many terrorist attacks over a far too long period for us to have any doubts that they are indeed ‘terroristic’ as our friend put it". (PS this chauvinist is not my friend). I asked you to back up your false claim (because we both know you can't) with examples and to critically examine what you are saying by comparison to relevant countries, including the occupying power and its imperial backer. Rather than do so, you are pretending I have asked the world of you, to name every single "terrorist attack" (you named zero). This is dishonest and bad faith behavior and unless you are literally a child you should know better.
Answer the question or just be honest that you can't.
I then challenged you to contextualize this in terms of settler colonial genocide, of which there are many precedents following similar models, also with the same kinds of backers from what is now the OECD. The absurdity would be clear if you were honest about this and actually tried to answer. I stated, "When First Nations fought against settlers, were they terrorists and similarly illegitimate? What would you think of someone who watched their genocide and spent their focus on villifying militant groups and alleged specific acts with racialized language while using no such emphasis for the much greater volume of such violence to enact genocide? Many indigenous groups have recognized the need to oppose settlers themselves and settlerdom, the people who stole their and their parents’ land and houses and killed their relatives. You simply dismiss such people as terrorists? Without chauvinist glasses of the oppressor you would probably call them freedom fighters."
You simply ignored this in its entirety.
The rest of my comment was similarly ignored. Repeating it,
While it is nice to keep it mind, the fact that they also do other things besides terrorism is not an argument.
Of course it is when the absurd premise is to ignorantly broad brush them with the label. The vast, vast majority of the activities of Hamas cannot be described as terroristic, much more so than their accusers.
Or should we also refrain from calling the Israeli state terrorist because it also does other stuff besides indiscriminately and arbitrarily targeting Palestinians?
Do you call “Israel”, which is infinitely more guilty of this and is itself the settler colonial occupier, a terrorist state at its every mention? Do you jump into conversations to ensure it is understood as such?
“Israel” engages in a genocidal campaign of land theft and ethnic subjugation. Describe the actual acts and see how much value your attempt at labeling possesses in terns of delegitimation.
Instead, you populated the rest of your response with an uninvited and, as stated before, problematic attempt to summarize Hamas. The point of doing so is not clear. You explicitly say what you claim it to be, i.e.,
But you do make some good points. Although I understand why you might have thought otherwise, I do think that Hamas needs to be portrayed fairly which indeed we haven’t done so far. Leaving it that way doesn’t do Palestinians, which overall greatly require our support and help, any good.
So for anyone else who would, per chance, stumble upon here, I’d like humbly submit my own personal presentation of Hamas, not-so-highly condensed for your own benefit:
You might have noticed that I don't require nor did I ask for a meandering and confused history lesson. I am not bumbling around here like you are, throwing around settler language and dancing around questions and challenges. I have been quite direct and plain in what I am saying and you are avoiding it, which I suppose is an admission in its own way that you are not up to the task of honestly responding.
Because you have dumped a confused and meandering history lesson and then immediately ran away, there isn't much reason to go through it point by point and it would take up way too much space. I will poke at a couple things stated just because I can, but if anyone is particularly enamored with any sections I would be happy to tear through them. Feel free to ask. I do want to again emphasize how strangely written this is, making allusions to people you could simply name and making seemingly disconnected points that jump around in time.
[...] in the nineties [...] they started launching suicide bombings [...]
I will note that you do not actually go over how this is terrorism, but leave it implied by the form of resistance, relying on the audience's familiarity with islamophobic tropes. I invite you to list the bombings, their targets, and their locations. Re: location, here is a hint: they are nearly all in the West Bank, i.e. demarcated Palestinian territory. You may wish to ask yourself why, say, blowing up a military vehicle (like in Mehola Junction) is not a direct act of resistance against oppressing occupiers and not terrorism. You may wish to ask yourself how much you have internalized islamophobia by the form of weapon used. The occupiers use planes, missiles, and tanks, and kill in far greater volumes, and target civilians to a staggeringly greater degree. I challenge you to, again, go through your own references to "Israel" and ask whether you always call it, "the illegitimate terrorist so-called state of 'Israel'", as your knee-jerk response to Hamas is to go into such invective.
other legitimate or terror attacks where committed and directed by Hamas members
Such as? I've already asked you to back up your claim that they have committed, "so many" that it justifies saying Hamas, "have carried far too many terrorist attacks over a far too long period for us to have any doubts that they are indeed ‘terroristic’ as our friend put it"
Hamas being largely considered at this point by the Israelis as a mortal enemy of Israel and of the Jewish people
"Israelis" already considered all Palestinians to be such, particularly any that formed any kind of militant resistance to genocidal settler colonial occupation and oppression. They are extraordinarily racist, as in old-timey racist (because they are settlers), and they conflate Judaism with their own violent and horrific projects - itself one of the most antisemitic programs in existence. Your claim here was simply left to fester, unchallenged. Oh good, the "Israeli" settler point of view. Funny how others are not given the same weight.
Israel blockaded the Gaza strip in return
Is it in return? Or was it simply another excuse to escalate and oppress, same as the status quo for decades?
Anyways, I'm out of space.
If you do not support Hamas you do not support Palestine. You are a fence sitting liberal condemning the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto from fighting back against the Nazis.
In the wise words of a Palestinian:
Yes, Hamas are terrorists, according to the USA and its allies. Who do you support in Ukraine? Hopefully not Azov, who are integrated in the National Guard of Ukraine, as they're considered terrorists by Russia.
Hopefully you don't support HTS as well, as i've seen they're currently being whitewashed.
But then you'll say that's Kremlin Propaganda (which i do agree it mostly is, they love to make a mountain out of a mole hill).
Terrorism is like any other act of violence in that when the targets are unambiguously evil people it's actually a good thing
Sure, we can agree on that depending on your definition of evil people. To target civilians indiscriminately is not a good thing, though. It's bad when the IDF does it and it's bad when Hamas does it. Resistance is not killing random people because of where they live, that's terrorism. Resistance is fighting your oppressors.
I very much doubt that Hamas hand picked their targets on Oct 7. I doubt that those who died, or were taken hostage, were all evil people hellbent on eradicating Palestinians. They died and were taken hostage simply because of where they were at the time.
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