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[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 5 points 3 hours ago

Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say "come work at" I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol

* Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don't use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.

[-] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 hours ago

Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.

[-] Elkot@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Loadsa Yanks in Edinburgh

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Aberdeen and Glasgow too tbh.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 5 points 16 hours ago

Emotional, fucking, damage.

[-] sharetload@aussie.zone 5 points 16 hours ago

Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 hours ago

You guys are gutting funding, unfortunately.

[-] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there

Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 21 points 1 day ago

This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.

But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 day ago

My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.

She's fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We're starting to look into options though.

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it's for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.

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[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is

[-] captain_oni 7 points 1 day ago

The technical terms are very similar. The only issue would be the colloquial terms.

[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

We interact with people from numerous Spanish speaking countries as part of an intern program, and the one thing every new group says is how funny each other's slang sounds to the rest of the group. She might have a rough month or two, but then I think it would be fairly smooth after that.

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[-] Bunbury@feddit.nl 28 points 1 day ago

And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.

[-] edryd@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

It has already been happening for several years now, it's just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a "negative brain drain" of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.

But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.

The brain drain is here, and won't be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.

[-] Bunbury@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Lack of food regulation would also be a concern. And now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It's already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We're already losing.

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[-] Ravi@feddit.org 73 points 1 day ago

Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!

[-] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it's threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped. Which will also influence the rest of the west and Americans to hit the "kill all Muslims" button as hard as they can.

Starting with "Hamas/Palestine/Antisemitism" as the justification.

[-] SkyeStarfall 30 points 1 day ago

I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go "oh shit", and try to avoid it

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The reaction to Brexit in the rest of the EU - where almost from one month to the next people's support for the idea of leaving the EU crashed to less than half as much as shown in various polls at the time - gives me hope that what Trump is doing in America is actually crushing the chances of his ideology in the rest of the World.

This seems to already be happenning in Canada (we will know for sure once the result of their upcoming elections is out).

In summary, I think there is good reason to hope that the result in the rest of the World of the Fascist Far-Right taking over a high-profile country like the US will be either the crushing of the Far-Right or it very explicitly distancing itself from the kind of ideology espoused by Trump - in other words, that America, just like Britan with Brexit, is really and unwittingly taking one for the rest of us.

[-] cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social 16 points 1 day ago

As a pretty terrified American, I actually take some comfort in this idea. Please learn from us. I just hope if things get that far here, that the rest of you will have some empathy for those of us who did not want this. So many comments from people in other countries are blaming every American for this. Seeing so many of those comments (mostly on Reddit) has been the second scariest part of all of this for me. I'm used to being hated in the abstract for being an American, but to think that if the fascists here get their way people like me have no hope of escape is too much to think about

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[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

It's happened before. A lot of the allies in ww2 were nazi-curious before their country was invaded. They were getting fairly popular in the US especially, holding large rallies and captivating the hearts of several of our captains of industry. I won't go into the details.

Some states will go down the path of fascism until they pass the point of no return, and the state that existed before is well and truly dead. When they're done warring against their own minorities they'll attempt to expand to neighboring states because they need to justify their own existence.

Some states will follow the path of fascism until they see their peers further down the path either trapped in the turmoils of war and genocide, or threatening war and genocide on themselves or their close allies, then they turn around out of fear of the new common enemy. Like a sailor trapped by a sirens call only snapping out of it when the sailor in front of them gets devoured.

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[-] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Meanwhile the Trump administration has asked Australian academics to justify that their US-funded research lines up with Conservative values

[-] socsa@piefed.social 27 points 1 day ago

It low-key reads like one of those "lonely singles in your area" ads.

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[-] Lumbardo@reddthat.com 3 points 23 hours ago

It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.

[-] sroos@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

I'm sure they're not.
I'm also pretty sure that they're working a lot better now than they were before...

[-] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like... I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I'm ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!

ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.

[-] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)

PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!

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[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 50 points 1 day ago

Is this why Elon is pushing for anti-immigration parties in the EU? He doesn't want people to leave?

[-] Gormadt 27 points 1 day ago

Of course he doesn't want people to leave, how can he be king if all his serfs leave?

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 111 points 1 day ago

Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.

Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.

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[-] hash@slrpnk.net 53 points 1 day ago

Their schools were already orders of magnitude cheaper. Get ready for extreme brain drain!

[-] tauonite@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Completely free. Kind of. It's like less than €200 a year to study at a university in Finland.

[-] kaarne@leminal.space 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is true only for students from the EU/ETA area: for students from outside it is a minimum of 1500€/year to study in a school of higher education.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

So the cost of like one class in the US.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago

Which is still cheap for many Americans.

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[-] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Living somewhere else is quite tempting in a grass is greener way, but it feels like moving out of my house because of pests. What I'd really rather do is eradicate the pests and get my home back. Even if I move, how long until I have to suffer new pests? Meanwhile the more sane of the two completely out of touch parties that comprise my government are like my housemate, and they keep leaving food wrappers and shit all over the place and they refuse to call an exterminator because it would be "cruel". But these no-kill traps ain't doing shit. Figuratively speaking, of course.

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[-] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 81 points 1 day ago

They look like they’re being told to smile or a family member will be killed.