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This was from 2017. (lemmy.ml)

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[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Really though, beyond the Dems doing something legislatively, could you imagine if the party actually utilized it's network for direct action campaigns. Not that their donors or upper middle class members would be copacetic to any actual economic disruption. I mean christ, the Senate leader doesn't even want to let the Republicans shut down the government while they're busy dismantling it. Their current strategy is to appeal by saying they can bring back business as usual. Unfortunately they don't seem to understand that appearing ineffectual turns centrists off even more than appearing radical does.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unfortunately they don’t seem to understand that appearing ineffectual turns centrists off even more than appearing radical does.

Does it though?

Look at how much .world or reddit downvote and deride posts critical of Democrat behavior since the beginning on the election and the only takeaway you can get is that they're in onboard with it no matter how much they hate it simply because Republicans are worse.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 months ago

Ok, but that's a select group of people who choose to spend their free time typing about politics online. If you look at the actual election results, it would appear to back up the claim you're quoting.

[-] newfie@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

that's a select group of people

Analyzing your query: It is indeed challenging to accurately verify if responses on Reddit originate from authentic human participants or sophisticated algorithmic entities. Therefore, the reliability of Reddit discourse as representative data remains uncertain.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

They're on board because the party moved to the right for them.

[-] newfie@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

Look at how much .world or reddit downvote and deride posts critical of Democrat behavior since the beginning on the election

Agreed, but why should we still presume that upvotes reflect genuine user opinion as opposed to astroturfing?

It seems that lib-aligned groups use Reddit to manufacture approval for their clients. Given this, why should we view Reddit as a credible window into popular opinion? The entire site is an infomercial at this point

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago

reddit: definately, but lemmy: not so much

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I mean I usually post in world and not ml and I don't get generally get downvoted for these opinions by anybody but pugjesus.

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 48 points 4 months ago

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

[-] itsralC@lemm.ee 37 points 4 months ago

I always like to point out how there's art of these two characters fucking by the same author

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Make love not war?

[-] venusaur@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Yall been taking the bait for years. Dems succeed on your fears. Why would they eliminate them?

[-] fatur0000new@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"You have to understand there's only so much I can do in this position"

Meanwhile, one of their former members named Huey Long: "Now I dynamite 'em out of my path"

[-] taxiiiii@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I mean, I was super curious what Sanders could've done if he had the chance. Instead, we got the opposite experiment.

If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they're not voting for any radical change. Trump isn't comparable to that.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 months ago

Americans voted for Biden because the primary system heavily favored Biden and Americans were told Biden was "more electable" than Bernie, even though every one of Bernie's policies and his messaging polled better.

If the DNC didn't put their thumbs on the scale, Bernie would have won in 2016 (or 2020), and guaranteed a democratic victory in the next election because nobody receiving free healthcare is going to vote to go back to the current system.

Bernie isn't radical, he's a social democrat, he just looks radical because the democrats are right of George W Bush right now.

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

I still remember the full-on panic mode people were in when it looked like Bernie might clinch the nomination in 2020. So absurd, but that's what happens when the ruling class is afraid that they might have to pay higher taxes.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 14 points 4 months ago

If democrats in the US vote for stuff like Biden, then they’re not voting for any radical change

I don't exactly know the details, but weren't there accusations of meddling from the DNC that stoppered Sanders' chance of securing the nomination, and a belief among some that he might have won the nomination if it had been a free and fair primary process?

In other words, it's possible (though by no means certain) that your sentence above works if "democrats" means "the DNC and the establishment of the Democratic Party", but not if it means "people who by-and-large support the Democratic Party".

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago

The Dems did some delegate fuckery where all candidates endorsed Biden because ~~Bernie~~ Trump had to be stopped at all cost, and their delegates went to Biden even if he hadn't been voted for. Kamala contributed all of her 0 delegates and got VP for being ~~a cop~~ the first to drop out iirc.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago

Still nothing

Courts wouldn’t even let Biden offer student loan relief

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago

They were only able to because of the way he went about it. He could have simply ordered the Department of Education to immediately forgive the loans and erase any record of the debt, and dared the SCOTUS to order him to create new debts (which he could simply ignore).

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

Part of not being a dictator is not acting like it, you aren’t going to find a good person acting that way

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You're not going to find a good person who puts following rules written to benefit the capitalist class above freeing people from crippling debt.

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[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

It's always been conservative neoliberals vs far right nationalism. No one is willing to change much of anything.

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[-] SoulWager@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What would it take to pass a constitutional amendment for ranked choice voting, or any other voting system without a spoiler effect?

Spoiler: not by voting

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

And the Dems will help the GOP do it.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

ChEcKs AnD bAlAnCeS

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

This is the second time Donald Trump has been elected with full control of both the House and Senate. It is not surprising that an old man in the same scenario would behave the same.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The comic is mocking the democrats for spending the last 4 years pretending they were completely powerless, just like they did in the 4 years leading to Trump pt I. The US president is one of the most powerful executives.