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[-] wwb4itcgas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

That's an absurd level of militarization for simple crowd control.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago

in the eyes of the law probably nothing is harmless if it's impeding the police

no doubt they will use this as an excuse to engage with "non lethal" force

[-] toaster@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago

Cops will make up any excuse they want to deem a protest a riot and use riot munitions.

People in the USA, however, need no excuse to protest right now.

[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If blowing bubbles is a threat of assault leading to arrest, they will see throwing pink paint as way over the line. https://youtu.be/LaoXZeVTJAc

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

"less lethal" now since they don't actually have non lethal methods.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

If I was on a jury I would judge any retaliation at that point to be self defense.

[-] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago
[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago

As someone who lives in Portland, I was like, where the fuck was that? Then I saw the date...

[-] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Same, neighbor, and it took me scrolling to your comment to clarify. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤪

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

A great idea! Even though it's "harmless" I bet the charges will be ugly :(

It also looks fantastic in black and white. Yay continuing to scroll after bedtime mode kicks in...

[-] villainy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Pause for 30 minutes... Pause for 30 minutes... Pause for 30 minutes... 😴

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Try lube next: sticky, slimy, slippery and completely annoying to remove. But skin and environmentally safe.

[-] CubitOom@infosec.pub 9 points 2 days ago

I think only water based lube would be environmentally safe.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

That was what I had in mind.

[-] Doxin@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

J lube is very cheap in large quantities. It comes in powder form, so you'll have to mix it with water yourself. Do with this information what you will.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

I like the way you think. Imagine using it when rainning or against water cannons.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago

Other stuff works too. Anything thick and sticky, in a pinch. Paint is great because it's harder to remove without solvents as it dries.

[-] Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

It turns out you can fill water baloons with instant mashed potatoes before adding the water. I'm sure some dye in there would be a nice finishing touch. Budget options are also good.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Now that's new to me! Nice stuff, it makes total sense. It's cheap, fast, easy to throw.

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Let's try syrup!

Corn syrup, though, no need to waste something nice like maple.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Gotta go with the "industrial" stuff.

Also, there's stuff called tanglefoot that's used to control insects on trees or other gardening situations. Expensive in bulk though.

The key with both of those options is delivery and target.

They'd do fine on masks and firearms, but deploying them is a pain in the rear, particularly when churn syrup is cooked down into something seriously difficult to deal with. You can water balloon regular corn syrup in a pinch, and be fairly accurate with practice.

However, when you have something that sticky, area matters. Using the cooked down syrup or the tanglefoot over a larger area to making crossing it on foot difficult is likely a better option since it can be done at a greater distance from any moving person, or ahead of time to provide movement control on flanks where barricades wouldn't be viable or last as long.

But, yeah, straight corn syrup, if placed well, is going to slow anyone down, and not just their walking speed. You'll have trouble seeing if it hits a mask or face it reduces speed of reloads, and even of other operations of firearms/grenade launchers. It can make deploying flash-bangs harder. But you are stuck with someone nursing needing to get close enough, or being good enough with a longer range deployment method to get it on target. Potato guns can make distance well, but aren't very accurate or fast to reload.

I bring that up because most average people aren't going to have access to anything else that can lob a breakable container any real distance without also breaking the container before it can reach the target. So, you'll be delivery by hand with a very fragile container most of the time, or using improvised launchers.

Improvised launchers vary in range and accuracy, but aren't super accurate at all. Elastic bands to make a big slingshot tend to work okay with liquids in rubber; they don't usually break the thicker balloons that can be used for this kind of substance, but they're really skill dependant if you want to target a person. They work fine against groups though.

Combustive launchers like potato guns tend to break flexible containers, and that immediately takes the launcher out with things like this, so it would need to be reserved for non flexible containers, and they would need to still be light, so you'd be using smaller loads. But, it can go farther, so it's not useless.

Beyond that, you're getting into complicated builds that aren't going to be carried by one person, so it's not applicable for this kind of deterrent

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Oh man, a properly detonated epoxy "grenade" into a mass of police would be beautiful.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Do they have biodegradable glitter? I know biodegradable makes it easier to remove…. So Sand then?

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Gotta go with something environmentally safe, but not biodegradable.

Mica flakes would do the trick. Reflective enough, dyable in a pinch, easy to source.

Drawback is sharp edges, but that can be mitigated with a decent suspension in slime. The stuff that kids were all into a while back. Non toxic, easy to make in big batches, sticks all over, and hard to clean off while still on the move.

But, the slime itself is a usable option tbh, the mica glitter would just make cleanup harder, it wouldn't add much to is effectiveness, or I don't think it would.

I've seen regular glitter vs masks, and it does work by itself, to a limited degree. So the mica may well be a good option as an addition, I just don't know when I'd be able to test it, so I can't say for certain. I can ask around, see if I can find someone to work on it as a fun experiment.

[-] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

The glass etchant is probably not going to work. It's polycarbonate, not silica glass. Sand is interesting but maybe too coarse. Stuff like 1-10 micron industrial diamond power, silicon carbide/aluminium oxide blasting media is the bane of my existence when trying to clean shiny things :(

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