What we need is a Pearl harbour. Something so outrageous that trump will be forced to act against Russia.
The problem is Trump doesn't care about soldiers, Americans, or people other than himself. Maybe Congress could be pressured to act, though.
He cares about looking bad, or weak
Europe's "alternative solutions" involve praying America changes its mind by Tuesday.
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Putin testing his lapdog Trump if he will bite back to his owner.
One of three possibilities.
You forgot:
— Trump, probably
"Some of you may die, and that's exactly how I want it."
-Trump, definitely*
trump is a gutless traitor, a demented rapist, and more incompetent than a bag of shit.
Will no one rid me of this demented rapist traitor?
Trump will say it's Zelensky's fault because he wouldn't agree to his terms
"Check out was at 10AM. They shouldn't have been there, stupid humanitarians." - Trump, maybe
Trump is probably happy these particular people were killed. They were probably the same sort of journalists he's banning from press conferences.
he will also just 'fake it', as he does many other things, so long as he can advance ~~his~~ putin's agenda.
Or say that Zelensky attacked the hotel in a false flag in order to pressure for support
Not really a false flag but I still place some blame on Zelenskyy.
Foreign mercenaries and instructors from NATO countries are often accommodated in hotels. In Krivoy Rog hotel facilities were being turned into deployment sites for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Last year, SBU actually arrested a man and said man was sentenced for 8 years because he stated that there were a lot of military personnel in the hotels of Kharkiv which was confirmed.
Oh, sorry. Of course. It's not a false flag.
But it's zelenskys fault that Russia invaded, and that russia fired missiles on a civilian targe t.
Or, it's a military target? Without children and civilians? And no volunteer aid organisations staying there? Just purely military.
No, I presume there were military personnel sheltering there as well, amongst the children and foreign citizens.
There weren't military personnel there? No, there were. It was a command post!
Fuck off.
Russia attacked US citizens
But it’s zelenskys fault that Russia invaded
Yes, he failed to implement Minsk II as he claimed he would during his election campaign.
Instead, Ukraine proceeded to implement new language laws which discriminated against the Russian language (going against the agreement), continued to imprison and torture political dissidents after the agreement was made as per Amnesty International which was also in violation of the Minsk Agreement which explicity stated that Ukraine was not allowed to imprison or punish people due to events related to the war in Donbas. Ukraine also refused to allow local elections in violation of the agreement.
"Ukraine insists that local elections can take place only after a complete ceasefire and withdrawal of all Russian troops and weapons.
Clear violation of the agreement as the entire agreement was Ukraine allows local elections, Russia withdraws then everyone’s happy. Russia can’t do its part if Ukraine doesn’t. The agreement specifically stated that elections come first and then withdrawal not the other way around. Ukraine clearly violated the agreement.
Or, it’s a military target? Without children and civilians?
Hiroshima was a military target but we both can agree that there were civilians there.
There weren’t military personnel there?
There indeed was, please check the guy at the last second of this video
Unless you want to argue that a humanitarian aid worker is equipped with camouflage, try again.
I looked up the Minsk agreement on Wikipedia.
The agreement failed to stop fighting.[5] At the start of January 2015, Russia sent another large batch of its regular military.[2] Following the Russian victory at Donetsk International Airport in defiance of the Protocol, Russia repeated its pattern of August 2014, invaded with fresh forces and attacked Ukrainian forces at Debaltseve, where Ukraine suffered a major defeat, and was forced to sign a Package of Measures for the Implementation of the Minsk Agreements, or Minsk II,[2]
dot dot dot
Amid rising tensions between Russia and Ukraine in early 2022, Russia officially recognised the DPR and LPR on 21 February 2022.[9] Following that decision, on 22 February 2022, Russian President Vladimir Putin declared that the Minsk agreements "no longer existed", and that Ukraine, not Russia, was to blame for their collapse.[10] Russia then launched a full invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, or skim reading it wrong. Seems like Russia forced an agreement, then called it invalid when Ukraine stuck to the terms.
https://ecfr.eu/article/ukraine-russia-and-the-minsk-agreements-a-post-mortem/
This convenient myth was finally dispelled in the period between 21 February 2022, when Putin recognised the independence of the so-called people’s republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, and 24 February 2022, when the full-scale invasion began. This was a radical clarification by Russia: in taking responsibility for its military action, violating Ukraine’s territorial integrity, and denying its neighbour’s sovereignty, Russia ceased acting according to the paradigm of frozen conflicts and shifted its goals – from the control of Ukraine’s political trajectory through local proxies to territorial appropriation and imperial restoration.
Yeh, so Russia wasn't happy. And instead of going "this isnt in the spirit of the agreement" decided to botch an invasion, and is now targeting civilian targets.
Jog on pal.
Shits way past "local elections".
Ukraine isn't targeting civilians.
Russia is.
Amongst other "fun" things.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
For balance, here are some Ukraine war crimes:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_of_Russian_soldiers_in_Mala_Rohan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_detention_centers_of_SBU
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_Company_(Ukraine)
Seems sparce. I'm sure its western media bias. No doubt President Comrade Musk will buy Wikipedia and fix the inaccuracies in reporting.
Then, once we are all done denying facts, we can safely move on with our lives.
Seems like Russia forced an agreement, then called it invalid when Ukraine stuck to the terms.
What do you mean? The "agreement quickly broke down, with violations by both sides."
That doesn't sound like Ukraine sticking to the terms.
Russia claimed that the Minsk agreements did not apply to their operations in Debaltseve and Ukraine used similar arguments when launching their own operations into grey zones as you can see here:
“Yuriy Biriukov, an adviser to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, says that almost the entire “grey” zone in Donbas, eastern Ukraine, has been liberated from Russian-led forces without breaching the Minsk peace agreements and is under control of the Ukrainian army.”
Zelenskyy refused to federalize the country despite Ukraine having the obligation to give eastern territories autonomy through federalizing the country because of the Minsk Agreements. Ukraine also had the obligation to uphold linguistic rights to ethnic minorities but violated the Minsk Agreements with the 2019 language law which didn’t outright ban the Russian language but did discriminate against those who did not speak Ukrainian or an EU language.
Yeh, so Russia wasn’t happy. And instead of going “this isnt in the spirit of the agreement” decided to botch an invasion, and is now targeting civilian targets.
You can claim that Ukraine not upholding the Minsk Agreements doesn't justify the 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine, you'd be right but that doesn't mean that Zelenskyy's actions did not have a hand in starting it. Although personally, I see Russia's 2022 relatively nice peace terms to be proof that while the invasion is horrendous, the current narrative is nonsense as well.
Ukraine isn’t targeting civilians.
Belgorod disagrees, with one shelling in the center of Belgorod for example killing 21 including 3 children.
While I can see that being used, I don't think this was intentional or big enough.
Zelenskyy doesn’t need to stage any false flags.
No I agree, I thought it was Russia that would say Zelensky did a false flag
Yes, and I’m very scared how many people mistake his attempts at appeasement as “peace”. What can be done? People are actually buying that Zelensky doesn’t “want peace”.
One is a leader defending their country against an invasion. The other is a leader threatening several other countries with tariffs and the slight threat of invasion. It's clear who wants peace, those people are just in a cult whose capacity for logical leaps will never stop until the whole cult is history.
You’re right. I just wish there was a way to change that narrative. I’m worried that too many people buy into it. I’m worried that too many people are buying into the whole “I just want bloodshed to stop” sayings.
I'm sure this is somehow Biden's fault. If not his fault, then it's Zelensky's. Or immigrants. Or DEI. Or Wokeness. Or trans athletes. Or Hillary's. Or....
I was on a Viber call with my cousin when this missile was flying towards my hometown, where she lives now. We were both crying as she was getting the notifications saying how many seconds are left until it hits.
Trump helping to get Americans killed. He just doesn't care. Must have caught that from his wife.
I don't think Krasnov has ever cared about anyone but himself...
Trump is pushing for peace talks
What the fuck is this reporting?!
NewsWeek has always been a fascist rag.
Edit: the only reason it is well known is that propagandists paid to have it placed in every hotel room in the USA. Same as the Gideon Bible.
It's accurate, it's just not informative enough.
Trump is pushing for peace, as in: Do everything Putin wants and you can have peace! Simple!
Including, apparently, overthrowing Zelenskyy and installing a puppet.
EU needs to just suck it up and add Ukraine however necessary. Russia can't fight them all.
Comparing our reaction to this to the sinking of the Lusitania will be interesting.
I hope some of those US citizens includes the people Trump sent to Ukraine to chat with Zelensky's opposition.
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