The cops justify needing that because you have an ar15.
Yeah, it's really not that complicated!
If everyone gets rid of their ar-15's, do the cops sell this vehicle?
They might not sell it, but they probably wouldn't get funding for buying another one.
Yes, once every person in the USA voluntarily hands in every semi-auto rifle...the cops will decommission the tanks.
Sure they will, because most police forces have used them in situations that require an armored vehicle and aren't just doing it to cosplay being the gestapo.
sorry. I thought once every person in the USA voluntarily hands in every semi-auto rifle. made it obvious I was not talking about reality.
I can ask more than one question. They're both valid.
I can ask both. I can even ask if maybe one of the reasons cops have that is that people are more heavily armed?
Boy, if I was a school shooter, I'd hate to see this thing parked up outside at a safe distance with the engine off.
Exactly. One of the big outcries to upgrade police weaponry started with the North Hollywood shootout.
No one commonly owns AR15s in Australia. None of our cops have this stupid shit.
What's more is thanks to the gun ban there, the black market cost for a glock handgun not counting ammunition is around $12,000 cash versus what, 10x less in the US?
Now my conservative acquaintances who adore supply-side economics should understand that increasing cost inhibits demand.
It's probably because nutters are running around with ar15s!
They are but the bigger problem is, the cops driving the war machine are part of the nutters.
Own an ATGM for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Police APC column rolls toward my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Stugna-P. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first car, it's dead on the spot. Draw my mortar on the second car, miss it entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the MT-12 mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with APFSDS, "Tally ho lads" the tungsten dart shreds two cars in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix FPV drone and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the more police to arrive since multiple fragmentation wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
They probably need it because you have an AR15.
I mean… “¿Porque no los dos?” Neither should exist in civilian hands. A MRAP has no use for civilian police nor does an AR15 have any use for a civilian.
Maybe because of people like you, armed to the teeth for no rational reason whatsoever?
Yes, cops need tanks to beat AR-15s, not because they're an occupation force that exists to ensure the oligarchy can't be threatened.
Can't I ask both?
But why do you need an AR-15? That wouldn't do much against a tank. Why not get artillery instead? 🤔
You've got a good head on your shoulders friend.
Pretty sure the answer to both is little peepees.
Cool it with the toxic masculinity
This highlights a weird side effect of weapons rights. The right to own weapons by the citizens to protect themselves from government tyranny, combined with the need for law enforcement to arm themselves adequately against heavily armed citizens breaking the law, becomes an arms race between the citizens and their country, with whoever is better funded being the winner.
Telling the citizens to drop their weapons doesn't mean the cops drop theirs. Telling the cops to stop arming themselves against citizens just sends them to their death during confrontations.
I suggest we all go play video games instead
Neither is needed. Fuck.
why not both?
Wasn't these basically donated because the military had too many? I understand them completely. The SWAT units needs armored trucks, even in Sweden they have Sandcats. The options were these extremely cheap former military MRAPs that are bulletproof, or buy armored civilian vehicles which costs multiple hundreds of thousands.
I'd bark up the tree of military spending rather than the police accepting hand-me-downs.
My best guess is that this is just one of many things they were able to grt acceas to using federal subsidy programs. The very famous Obama-era 1033, but also The Department of Homeland Security's "Urban Areas Security Initiative".
We all know that they can be used by SWAT, ATF, etc. When it may be needed - but they also get used to intimidate protestors and violate their rights.
Why do I need a gun? Because I'm part of a minority and some guys in white ropes want me dead
Too bad that (1) doesn't make you any safer in reality, (2) increases several vectors of risk to you and your family disproportionately, (3) just benefits gun lobbyists and muddies the water of national debate.
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