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Rising GOP support for the U.S. taking unilateral military action in Mexico against drug cartels is increasingly rattling people on both sides of the border who worry talk of an attack is getting normalized.

Wednesday’s Republican presidential primary debate featured high-stakes policy disagreements on a range of issues from abortion to the environment — but found near-unanimous consensus on the idea of using American military force to fight drug smuggling and migration.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 154 points 1 year ago

You don't need guns to kill the Cartels. You need to legalize drigs and regulate them. The war on drugs is what made the cartels what they are today.

[-] Techmaster@lemm.ee 44 points 1 year ago

That's completely out of the question in the Nanny States of America. The republicans want their "small government" to tell you what you're allowed to put in or do to your own body, so free will would never be acceptable.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry, but do you have the same position on gun laws (about nannies)?

Cause we are talking about heavy narcotics, that usually don't give you a second chance. Guns don't make you physically, medically dependent and unable to reconsider.

If that's your point of view on narcotics, then in it one should also be able to own an Abrams tank with all the weaponry, legally.

Now, light drugs are fine, but Mexican cartels don't deal in that.

[-] MidwestBear@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago

I think the difference is drugs do damage to mostly yourself while guns do damage to mostly others.

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[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Taking a drug is a choice, getting shot is not. Stop being obtuse and conflating separate issues. Shame on you.

[-] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, it's a choice that you are going to possibly lose control of yourself and do various things you wouldn't usually. If we are treating intoxication by cocaine or anything else as negligible while determining criminal responsibility for murders etc, that is, that every act under intoxication was intentional - then I'm fine with legalizing all drugs.

[-] yawn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Don't know what you're talking about, every act under intoxication is already legally intentional. "It's not rape officer, I was drunk!" Doesn't hold up in court

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[-] Techmaster@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Where I live (a red state), things like weed and mushrooms are still extremely illegal. I have a multiple AR's that I built myself. And I respect those guns and would never use them in an irresponsible manner. But knowing how insanely stupid half the country is, it terrifies me that almost ANYBODY can legally own an AR. We need to have better control over who is allowed near these extremely dangerous weapons. And yes, they are extremely dangerous. If you've seen what high velocity rounds do to things, it's understandable. But there's no reason to restrict responsible gun owners from owning them. Ban AR's and people will still have access to other weapons that are just as dangerous.

But telling people what they're allowed to do with their own bodies, whether it be weed, mushrooms, abortions, etc is a complete distortion of the spirit of the constitution. If we made safer drugs legal, people would be far less likely to use more potent and deadly drugs. Sometimes people just want to get high, and if they can't get weed they get so desperate that they are making soda bottle meth. Or buying who knows what from some shady dude on a corner somewhere. If you legalize something, then we can regulate it, and people feel safer seeking help with their addictions.

Put it this way. If there isn't a victim, then it shouldn't be a crime.

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Drugs you put into your body. Bullets you put into someone else's. They are not the same.

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[-] lingh0e@lemmy.film 4 points 1 year ago

A) You should try to avoid fallacious arguments. Comparing drugs with guns is a terrible false equivalence. It's also just flat out wrong.

B) You're "guns don't make you unable to reconsider" is one of the dumbest takes possible. If you use a gun for it's sole intended purpose, you could kill yourself or someone else. That's absolutely something you can't reconsider. Dead is dead.

Drugs have the potential to kill ONE person, the person who made the decision to ingest them. Guns have the potential to kill many people.

There are SO many other arguments you could have made against relaxing drug policy, you chose poorly.

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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

They need to manufacture a new "war on terror" to distract the media and population through their coup and robbery.

[-] ICE_WALRUS@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately the cartels saw this coming with marijuana legalization and now aare in every industry in mexico. Avocados are already legal and the cartel makes a lot of money from them already. The cats out of the bag and it's frankly to late to just end the war on drugs and see the country revert. Also even if meth is legal to consume are we saying that the US goverment would start producing meth?

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, then it is too late. Enjoy the hellscape that we have hand crafted I guess. Also, the US gov already produces drugs. Their half the reason crack is so prevalent in the first place.

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 68 points 1 year ago

The only policy Republicans have is "kill people different than me", there is literally nothing else.

[-] snooggums@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

They have other policies, like forcing 13 year old rape victims to give birth and non-lethal discrimination.

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

They also want to normalize marrying that 13 year old.

"We already beat them and stole half their country back in the 1840s. High time we did that again!"

"You do realize that would mean we would have more Mexicans living in the US?"

"..."

[-] WorldWideLem@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

When there's domestic problems that you haven't even offered a solution for, point outward.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 year ago

When there's domestic problems that you ~~haven't even offered a solution for~~ have actively created, point outward.

FTFY

[-] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

I'm not surprised at this point. I'm not shocked. I'm not disgusted.

Like climate change, it's time.

We need to have 2+ functional political parties in this country. One cannot be a terrorist organization fueled by hate.

If you are old enough to vote and do not vote against these people, you are a supporter of Republican rightwing fascism.

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

do we want mexico to join cuba china and Russia to be close to our doorsteps as an enemy?

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Rising GOP support for the U.S. taking unilateral military action in Mexico against drug cartels is increasingly rattling people on both sides of the border who worry talk of an attack is getting normalized.

Wednesday’s Republican presidential primary debate featured high-stakes policy disagreements on a range of issues from abortion to the environment — but found near-unanimous consensus on the idea of using American military force to fight drug smuggling and migration.

Even more moderate GOP candidates such as former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott have suggested support for some version of unilateral military action across the Rio Grande.

Now, bilateral tensions are being stimulated on both sides of the border, with Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador pursuing an internal image of defiance against the United States.

Former Vice President Mike Pence lauded Hutchinson’s appeal for economic pressure, but said he would “engage Mexico the exact same way” as the Trump administration to ensure security cooperation.

“Ron DeSantis rightly didn’t back down to the Experts(TM) during COVID and he likewise won’t let them keep him from securing our southern border,” said press secretary Bryan Griffin.


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