Please understand that the democrats are further right than most countries mainstream right wing parties in Europe noone really likes that Germany elected the CDU (politically similar to the democrats) but we're all very pleased that afd didn't get a majority. Vote for the least damaging candidate and work on the system by protesting. Noone thinks Biden and Harris are saints, they're just the least harmful option.
You have to do a lot more than protest.
Yes but inciting violence is generally frowned upon. So I'll let people come to their own conclusions there.
Noone thinks Biden and Harris are saints
No, but a lot of you seem unwilling to acknowledge that they're genocidal monsters
Wether or not you believe them to be guilty of supporting a genocide, they never publicly said they'd turn Gaza into a beach resort in which Palestinians are not welcome to live. Least harmful option even in the case of Palestine. The correct thing is to vote for Harris and then protest relentlessly to try and get through to them. But now you have a dictator who doesn't care about public opinion as long as he can line his pockets. It probably won't be long before they start shooting protesters so good luck changing anything when that happens.
Typical blueMAGA: only cares about what politicians say, not what they do.
And we did protest relentlessly, the Democrats didn't care.
Ok, well what trump did last time was ban Muslims from entering the country and formally recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and move the American embassy there. So I'm not really sure what you expected from him this time.
Thanks for those non-sequitors
I downvoted. Not because you criticized democrats, but because your stupid post says you get downvoted for that. No you fucking don't. You almost always get up voted for it. This is a garbage bait post.
My comment history says otherwise. I get downvoted whenever I remind people that the Democrats are guilty of genocide.
That's because you have to contort the truth significantly to make that even passably correct. It is more accurate to say the democrats aren't going to stop selling arms to Israel as very few if any are actively engaged in fighting in Palestine.
I went digging through your comments a bit to see what you're talking about, and no most are upvoted from what I saw. There are exceptions, like this one:
I think teaching the Democrats a lesson was worth it. They can’t commit genocide and pretend to be the lesser-evil. You can and should oppose both. I am of the personal opinion that evil hiding behind polite decorum is a greater threat than evil that doesn’t pretend to be good. You are free to disagree.
Yeah, no shit you get downvoted for stuff like this. People aren't going to be very thankful you support their suffering being worsed. The people in Gaza also probably aren't super happy that Trump has straight up supported the plan for genocide and taking the land.
Being critical of Democrats gets upvotes. Being a callous asshole who says Democrats "learning a lesson" (which I haven't seen any evidence for) is worth all the suffering the Trump adm. will cause will deservedly get you downvotes.
You stopped at the first downvoted comment that confirmed your bias. Also what is your opposition to holding the Democratic Party accountable for genocide? They had 15 months to change course. They had the election cycle to get a hint and change their position. The DNC wouldn’t even allow a Palestinian American to speak at the convention. Trump and the Republicans being worse is never an excuse for genocide.
Here’s one: https://lemm.ee/post/53700851/17792640
Here’s another: https://lemm.ee/post/52746433/17573189
Another one: https://lemm.ee/post/34065555/12436103
Any comment that points out that it was the Democratic Party that allowed the genocide to happen and created the conditions for Trump to propose ethnic cleansing got downvoted. The Democratic Party could have stopped the genocide, they purposefully chose not to. You should oppose them for this not make excuses because the Republicans are going to be worse.
I'm not going to spend all day going through your comments to prove a point.
The first one is positive.
The second is zero, so probably 1 downvoted, assuming you didn't remove your default upvote. Not really meaningful. It's also dismissive of Trump to shift to Biden, but whatever.
The third if you notice the comment you replied to is positive and implying Biden supports genocide, so it once again proves that comments or posts that are critical of Biden or the Democrats generally get upvotes.
You have a confirmation bias. You want it to be true that comments critical of democrats are downvoted, but it isn't. Usually they're received positively, as long as you aren't being an asshole.
The first one is positive.
The second is zero, so probably 1 downvoted
The third if you notice the comment you replied to is positive and implying Biden supports genocide
The only thing you've proven is that it is controversial enough for just as many people to upvote as have downvoted, your viewer just only shows the net result. Try viewing these in the browser for a more accurate assessment.
I've got more that were closer to the election when the politics community was still delusional about Democrats winning by ignoring core voter demands.
Why does being downvoted here even matter at all like who cares. Democrats have lost the plot and only care about identity politics. Policy don’t help the average everyday people.
I don't even use votes, it's a system that breeds self satisfaction. Unhealthy thoughts and feelings too
What I don't understand - and please explain if you can - is why Bernie and like-minded people like AOC etc don't break away from the likes of the Clintons and the Harrises and form their own party. Surely there must be some systemic hurdle keeping them from at least attempting right?
Because they are just a facade to make the DNC more friendly to the working class. It is all theatre for them
Yes, there aren't enough progressive voters for that party to stand a chance and as we have a money driven electoral system there isn't enough funding for a viable leftist party.
I think there are enough voters, but not with the current FPTP and electoral college system. In my native country people vote for their candidates in a first round, then the top two candidates (by popular vote) go into the second round and people vote again between those. That way people are not afraid to cast their vote to their actual first choice like in the US ("if I vote for this 3rd party, I'm just helping the party I don't like to beat the other party I don't like that much either but it's not as bad as the first one").
Because they worry (with good reason) that in a first past the post voting system, splitting the liberal votes from the left votes will mean that every single seat in the house and senate will go to the republicans. As shit as the democrats are, they aren't dyed in the wool fascists. The republicans do enough damage with a simple majority. With a two thirds majority they can start making changes to the constitution. And the very structure of the government.
I had the question 5 years ago, but watching it closely in last 5 years, I can see having a third party is very difficult, everything is against changing two party system, even Trump, as popular as he is, can do is only to taking over not start from scratch.
During the run up to the election I'll admit i was guilty of this because it was so important for TFG to lose. I wish our bullshit system allowd for more than a fascist and center right party.
Now? Fuck that they aren't leading like they should.
It's exhausting.
So let's be frank here: Nancy Pelosi's Democrats need to die in a fire. The old guard must be set aside and a new team should take their place by spearheading the direction of the party.
Get ready for...
Starring
These powers combined, maybe YOUNG people won't be so disgusted by the democrats. That's right, young people. That's who the republicans were targeting. Get the millennial vote by making the Super Friends here a reality.
But nope, that would be too daring, too risque, too sexy - for the democrats. We gotta wheel out Schumer and exhume Dianne Feinatein to prop her up with duct tape in the house of representatives.
It's the only way... to lose again lol
Cory Booker and Kamala Harris... Eeeehhhh, not sold. Harris had her chance and decided to run as a continuity candidate in a change election, and that kind of incompetence is disqualifying imo.
this is ragebait. democrats constantly criticize their reps, to a fault. obv spending time criticizing dems more than repubs rn is tone deaf and actively harmful. if theres some point to be made like 'jeffries is a sold out dark money lobbyist' plenty would agree; but if someone says 'democrats suck' as a blanket statement rn, im gonna assume theyre a russian bot and block+ban✌️
We were mocked and ridiculed for simply asking for pushback against the genocide when Biden was president.
It's not that they suck. My problem with them, as an independent, is they've positioned themselves as the moral high ground party while in fact they have no moral leg to stand on. Their leadership had a historic moral test when it comes to the Gaza genocide and they failed it. They had another test to put a great candidate to prevent another Trump presidency, but they bowed down to their corporate masters and picked Kamala.
It's that level of fundamentalism and holier than thou attitude that alienates many people like me. They have zero fighting tactics against Republicans besides clutching pearls and shaming. Kamala's website up until the election day had no "agenda section". You can't really tell what her campaign is about. I guess she's perfect enough and shouldn't be questioned, otherwise "racism and sexism".
They need a complete reset and redo of the party and its principles. Until then, I'm a non voter.
It's because a lot of the criticism attributed to "the Democrats" it's just general criticism about the government and has nothing to do with a Democrats specifically.
I really feel like as soon as a Democrat gets in the office people forget that the other half of the government is fucking Republicans that will do anything to stop Democrats from getting what they want... That's the entirety of what Turtleman is made of.
As in criticizing Democrats on their merits or criticizing Democrats as equally bad as Republicans? Big difference between the two.
Let me try! Democrats who don't support ranked choice voting are selling us out.
I don't care about any of the two political parties. I just vote based on who sounds the least insane, greedy, fake, and qualified for the job. And maybe someone who doesn't suck billionaire toe and can tax the rich.
Have you thought about voting for the socialist candidate on the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL)?
I wish the Democrats were not being complicit with the Nazis and had half as much of the obstruction the right uses when not in power
Blasphemer! They are the golden calf! Kneel before your genocidal god else you will get more genocide!
