1040
I prefer my 2014 car to anything new i have tried. Buttons are just better.
Bout bloody time, I really hate modern cars
Bring back physical keys!
I don't even mind the option of being controlled in the screen, so long as there are also physical buttons. Radio and climate control should be easily accessible by physical buttons. Also, I really hate the newer aesthetic of looking like someone just jammed a tablet into the consol. There no contouring or anything.
I hate key fobs, I have two cars both with massive fobs. I can't keep both on my keyring if I'm planning to put my keys in my pants pocket. I also hate these stupid things are $200-300 to replace - even more at a dealer.
They don't even make the car more secure or harder to steal. Get rid of them.
The first time I heard that many car manufacturers are getting rid of traditional buttons and odometers in favour of touchscreens, I already thought that it is dangerous.
As always, corporations don't give af.
I don't see an issue to have digital odometer because you don't interact with it
Digital is fine for things that don't need to be touched. Arguably, it's better.
Separate analog odometers are better, because it's a single point of failure otherwise. If one breaks, I can still read all other instruments (fuel, engine temp, speed and/or rpm, whichever failed)
For real, instrument cluster I'm okay having digital. It's not something I need to touch, usually there's steering wheel buttons to interact with it.
Having your whole radio/climate/etc all on one screen with menus and shit is stupid. You can't just reach over and change a setting without looking. I miss when everything was "analog". My first car was a 91 mazda rx7, and I knew exactly where every control was, didn't have to look at anything to operate it.
As someone driving a 2009 Mazda 3 - I really appreciate the simple physical controls in the car. Touch screens are a horrible interface for something you could fiddle with an analog version and get feedback without taking your eyes off the road.
Not saying they shouldn't exist, they can be helpful and useful for displaying information and navigation, hell even controlling the AC and radio and all that but there should also be a physical interface for basic functions.
I know my next vehicle will be electric and I definitely will be swayed by the user interface for things. I do hope car companies are listening to everyone saying they don't want just touch screens and nothing else.
I honestly hate to use the central display to control the AC. In my newer car first you have to press a button on the screen to open the AC control, then you have to set what you want.
On my old one I can do whatever I want without need to look off the road
I have a 2019 mustang, and it's kind of a mixed bag. There are a bunch of controls for AC and head in physical controls, but there's also several you can't use without the screen (like dual zone temps, and niche things like that)
But if there’s less screens then where will manufacturers put the advertising???
I'm still waiting for someone to try haptic screens.
they already did a study that touchscreens are too distracting and dangerous, buttons are more intuitive and quicker to use, without looking at the menu.
2015 Honda - perfect. Buttons when I wanted buttons. Touch when I wanted touch, and I never had to use it when driving.
2023 Ford - Yeah, it's bad and dangerous.
But screens are cheaper and cars are getting more expensive.
No problem, they'll manage to make them more expensive with buttons as well. I'm trusting the beancounters on that one.
Joystick interface... Use directional buttons on steering wheel to steer the cursor on a windows-like point and click interface from around 1999/2000
That's almost as bad. You might be able to remember three to the right and one down then ok but really you are going to take your eyes off the road more than if it was a touch screen.
Cars need physical buttons for all critical features. You push a button and thing happens. No menus.
Ah, yes! The Thinkpad clitoris and Windows 98 was peak UX!
Thinkpad clitoris
I always called it the mouse nipple.
Why steering wheel? Use direction arrows (which sonstantly change position) on a touch screen conveniently mounted low on the centre console to steer the car. Imagine the leg space you can create by removing that bulky steering wheel and downsizing the dashboard.
/s before some car designer gets any idea
Bendable screens that can add a tactile bump underneath a virtual button and that use force touch to detect a press.
Nope. Terrible.
load more comments
(3 replies)
cars are getting more expensive
Good! 😜
I mean, I get where you're going with this, but as much as we'd like adequate public transit in the US, it's simply not going to happen fast enough for people to not buy cars any more. Prices will keep going up as long as people keep buying, and I don't see that stopping any time soon.
I mean, I get where you’re going with this, but as much as we’d like adequate public transit in the US, it’s simply not going to happen fast enough for people to not buy cars any more. Prices will keep going up as long as people keep buying, and I don’t see that stopping any time soon.
I feel like I might be too cynical in this, but demand is a strange thing, especially in a heavily corporatized country like the States. A less mobile workforce due to more and more folks not being able to afford individual transportation anymore will at some point result in more lobbying from businesses for alternative transport solutions.
But you're right, that might just be wishful trickle-down thinking and from my understanding the States' problem lies more with inherently car-centry city planning anyway and not with just a lack of busses or trains. That is hard to fix.
Yeah we're built entirely around personal transport. Granted public transit in the form of buses should function inside of that, but I think we're SoL when it comes to good rail options. I looked it up once assuming it would be way cheaper to travel by train, and found plane tickets that were not only like 6 days faster, but 1/3 the price.
Thanks, Europe!
For real, so many good things happen here (us) because Europe makes it a thing, and it's too expensive to have separate manufacturing. Unfortunately for those that use iPhones, their requirement of third party app stores doesn't work here, because that's a software setting, and costs them nothing to have different. (Android user btw, don't come at me)
Europe is being awesome once again!
Controlling everything in a car through screens is a safety hazard. It's insane that's even allowed.
It's insane that as of now it's up to manufacturers to self-regulate.
load more comments
(23 replies)
good
i kinda wonder if this is motivated as a non tariff trade barrier to chinese cars designed for the china market which loves apps, touch screens and karaoke in your car 🤔
As this is about NCAP testing standards and not about EU regulations probably not, but I welcome every bit of support to convince my wife to never buy a tesla again.
I will never even get in a Tesla. I've seen far too many stories of it burning its occupants alive because the manual release for the doors is a hidden feature.
Having to have an intact software/computer system AND power just to leave a vehicle is beyond dumb.
Not to mention, F-ELON. Screw that guy, and I hope every asset he owns becomes worthless.
Maybe but probably not. It's just basic common sense that all car manufacturers need to get on board with. Maybe there's just a coincidence that touchscreens and no physical buttons are cheaper to produce and the Chinese brands that you're referencing are also targeting cheaper production at the cost of road safety.
My experience with country level regulation suggests yes. Usually this sort of thing is targeted at protecting domestic firms from other EU firms. There is always some good sounding reason to do it.
In this case I don't mind at all.
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2025
1040 points (100.0% liked)
Europe
2683 readers
1586 users here now
News and information from Europe 🇪🇺
(Current banner: La Mancha, Spain. Feel free to post submissions for banner images.)
Rules (2024-08-30)
- This is an English-language community. Comments should be in English. Posts can link to non-English news sources when providing a full-text translation in the post description. Automated translations are fine, as long as they don't overly distort the content.
- No links to misinformation or commercial advertising. When you post outdated/historic articles, add the year of publication to the post title. Infographics must include a source and a year of creation; if possible, also provide a link to the source.
- Be kind to each other, and argue in good faith. Don't post direct insults nor disrespectful and condescending comments. Don't troll nor incite hatred. Don't look for novel argumentation strategies at Wikipedia's List of fallacies.
- No bigotry, sexism, racism, antisemitism, dehumanization of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.
- Be the signal, not the noise: Strive to post insightful comments. Add "/s" when you're being sarcastic (and don't use it to break rule no. 3).
- If you link to paywalled information, please provide also a link to a freely available archived version. Alternatively, try to find a different source.
- Light-hearted content, memes, and posts about your European everyday belong in !yurop@lemm.ee. (They're cool, you should subscribe there too!)
- Don't evade bans. If we notice ban evasion, that will result in a permanent ban for all the accounts we can associate with you.
- No posts linking to speculative reporting about ongoing events with unclear backgrounds. Please wait at least 12 hours. (E.g., do not post breathless reporting on an ongoing terror attack.)
(This list may get expanded when necessary.)
We will use some leeway to decide whether to remove a comment.
If need be, there are also bans: 3 days for lighter offenses, 14 days for bigger offenses, and permanent bans for people who don't show any willingness to participate productively. If we think the ban reason is obvious, we may not specifically write to you.
If you want to protest a removal or ban, feel free to write privately to the mods: @federalreverse@feddit.org, @poVoq@slrpnk.net, or @anzo@programming.dev.
founded 8 months ago
MODERATORS