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[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 323 points 1 month ago

After Andy Yen's endorsement of the orange utan, I would seriously reconsider using any Proton product.

Yen tried to backpedal meekly several times since then, to get out of the pickle he got himself into with his definitely-not-impressed customers, but it's a bit late for that: either he's pro-Trump or he's naive. Either way, he makes Proton sketchy.

[-] cupcakezealot 94 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Idc if I likes Trump or not (even though Trump is garbage); but I do care that he says the Republicans - the party that has spent years attacking encryption and privacy, who has sued to obtain private medical records of women and trans people who see doctors, and who is funded by billionaire big tech moguls - is the better option for privacy.

Also just taking ANY position for a leader of the US - one of the biggest parties to the Five Eyes agreement - just leaves a bad taste.

[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 44 points 1 month ago

Do you have any recommendations for someone who just uses them for email?

[-] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

I've been using Tuta for more than 8 years now and had one serious issue with their service during this time (longer outage, pretty early on). Other than that I have nothing but positive experience with them.
They're also based in Germany if that makes any difference.

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[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 month ago

I've been a Runbox customer for many years. Never had any problem with them. They're located in privacy-friendly Norway.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Does Proton really support Trump? A deeper analysis

One thing to note is that while on Reddit, people are alleging that Proton is a company run by a fascist, pro-MAGA, pro-dictatorship CEO, users on X are accusing Andy and the company of being anti-MAGA/anti-Trump.

So, in the face of all the evidence I’ve found, to compare Andy to a tech oligarch like Zuck and Elon, who are now bootlicking on display for all to see, is not supported by the evidence.

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However, being disillusioned with one party on one issue doesn’t mean that all of a sudden Andy Yen changed all of his stances and that now he’s actually pro-Republican or pro-MAGA. All of the evidence gathered suggests the exact opposite.

Considering how many users here have expressed similar disillusionment with the current Democratic party, it seems a bit hypocritical to judge Andy Yen for having the same feelings (or expressing them on occasion).

This whole "Proton supports MAGA" thing is another example of internet mob-think where everybody has an opinion informed by no facts at all, actively ignores or dismisses the larger context in order to protect that fragile opinion from reality, and most haven't even looked at the original statements that sparked the controversy.

[-] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Considering how many users here have expressed similar disillusionment with the current Democratic party, it seems a bit hypocritical to judge Andy Yen for having the same feelings (or expressing them on occasion).

The only thing Yen should have done to be credible is shut the fuck up and not take any side, or express any political opinion. I expect no less from the CEO of a company that pretends to sell me privacy from a neutral country.

I'm not saying Yen is a raging magat. I'm saying the moment he opened his trap about US politics, he tainted his company and damaged its credibility.

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[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sure sure. The guy who unprompted endorsed a trump appointment that has deep US Telco ties, bizarrly said "the GOP is the party for the little guy," had nothing but wonderful things to say about J.D vance, stated that Chuck Schumer slow rolled 2 internet privacy bills because of "quid pro quo" with his daughters working for big tech, used the phrase "triggered" unprompted, and just randomly added "88" to the end of his new user name.

Yeah, that guy is just neutral and disillusioned with the Democratic party. It's not utterly clear what spaces and politics he aligns with. That would just be wholley unknowable.

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[-] blackjam_alex@lemmy.world 166 points 1 month ago

Not even Bluesky, they went straight to Reddit. Shame.

[-] Emperor@feddit.uk 70 points 1 month ago

It's a sad day when "you can find us over on Discord" is a better option.

[-] Dil@is.hardlywork.ing 23 points 1 month ago

At least reddits getting selfaware enough that every other post is ppl getting mad at ppl telling them to google since those posts are what they find off google, or they've already googled and found nothing.
The immediate assumption that everyone is an idiot who hasnt tried to google is annoying but used to be valid, ppl got lazy there (including me) and would just ask questions that were easily googleable, the issue is those posts are now first on google and none of them have answers lol

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 164 points 1 month ago

This might sound crazy but this is way worse to me than the CEO simping for orange man. At least for Trump he has a semi plausible excuse.

Reposting stuff on Mastodon or Bluesky barely requires any additional effort. And I cannot think of a good reason to close abandon the free publicity when they already have it set up.

[-] balder1991@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And I’d have thought the potential customers segment are exactly the Mastodon users.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yea this is worse. The politics thing could be brushed off as Andy Yen being uneducated on American politics. Moving away from an already established fediverse platform is contradictory to Proton's mission. It doesn't take more than a minute to copy paste their xitter posts to Mastadon.

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[-] kbal@fedia.io 104 points 1 month ago

Pointing people to reddit, as if that's an alternative. When a VPN provider makes such bad choices it's tempting to imagine that the decision was influenced by somebody who wants to secretly get the message out that the company is no longer to be trusted, because it's hard to see any other logic in it.

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[-] finkrat@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago
[-] Scrollone@feddit.it 17 points 1 month ago

I'm searching for a safe and cheap alternative for my own domain, but it's hard! And I don't want to give money to American companies.

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[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 62 points 1 month ago

Ouch! They really are working hard on getting any privacy oriented person to leave them.

I'm glad I have moved away from them.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

fleeing to reddit of all place, banning any instance of discourse, much like facebook is now.

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[-] dan00@lemm.ee 59 points 1 month ago

Such delicate snowflakes these ceos…

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[-] bufalo1973@lemm.ee 47 points 1 month ago

So first taking Trump's side and now that...

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[-] thagoat@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 1 month ago
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[-] Chonk@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago

What kind of expensive resources you need to just post on Mastodon?

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

ability to silence, and censor or criticism,?-proton probably

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[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well this is certainly one of the decisions of all time. I guess we finally got our reaction from the board. I was waiting, hoping to hear some rebuke of Yen’s bullshit. Didn’t expect another intentional step into shit. Bye Felicia.

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 33 points 1 month ago

Proton is really just trashing their rep.

[-] cupcakezealot 31 points 1 month ago

One wonders why the rest of the Proton Foundation hasn't stepped in and gotten rid of Andy; I assume it's just because they don't actually care about privacy, they're just cryptonerds.

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[-] chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 month ago
[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Do they really need a team of people to post the same thing to X, Mastodon, BkueSky, etc? I'm honestly surprised they don't have some bot to make all the posts for them to those services. Sounds like a cop out to me.

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[-] kaamkiya@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

Welp, I guess I'm switching to Tuta now.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Gross. I’m slowly moving from ProtonMail to Port87, which is kind of embarrassing because I made Port87 and launched it almost two years ago. Switching email providers is hard though. You have to update everything.

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

I feel like those resources are about to get even more limited.

[-] tonytins@pawb.social 23 points 1 month ago

Glad I was always suspicious of Proton.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

I'm not, they are a bunch of researchers having their servers in the country with the most privacy protective laws in the world.

Sure, criticise them when they do bad things, but what do you propose, google mail (etc.)?

If you don't have some real information you are just following a gut feeling (which by the way is the simplest to manipulate) and I think that is kind of curious actually.

I like Proton, I have their email & VPN, works like a charm, and their servers are in nuke safe bunkers in the swiss mountains.

The only other company that I have seen that isn't shady like for sure seems to be Mullvad, I mean if you hate the swiss or something or prefer the swedes ...

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

I wonder if Andy was watching fuckface destroy Unity, and just thought to himself, What could I say or do to aggressively power-fuck the Proton brand?

[-] Snoopy@piefed.social 20 points 1 month ago

That doesn't take lot ressource for communication on both social network.

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[-] oyzmo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

From the statement on their webpage: " We believe in people before profits, and our primary shareholder is the non-profit Proton Foundation whose mission is to fight for an open internet that promotes freedom of speech and freedom of information."

[-] lig@lemmings.world 17 points 1 month ago

Lately, their posts on Mastodon became full of comments questioning their CEO political views. I guess, this is the answer to those, a clear one.

[-] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I've committed a bunch of relatives and myself to a year of the Family plan, and now most of us want to leave.. What a mess.

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[-] M1k3y@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 month ago

Three years ago I made an issue on their feedback page because the android app doesn't really work on degoogled phones, it requires gms for notifications. Still not fixed.

Nice privacy focused App that can't fully be used if you take privacy seriously.

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